Immigration Draws Comments in Rogers
Last updated Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:09 PM CST in News
By Lori Harrison-Stone
The Morning News
ROGERS -- The Pledge of Allegiance rang out on Tuesday the loudest it has to date in the new Rogers City Hall when a full house packed the City Council Chambers to talk immigration.
It wasn't on the official agenda, but became the main topic in a 55-minute public input session. Mayor Steve Womack, expecting the discussion, opened by reading a prepared statement in which he announced a plan to train Rogers police officers under a federal program giving them more power when it comes to immigration enforcement.
The Immigration and Customs Enforcement 287(g) program provides state and local law enforcement with training and authorization to identify, process and, if needed, detain illegal immigrants. Womack said he wrote a letter Tuesday to Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Julie Myers asking to approve training for six Rogers police officers. Womack said he would support hiring six new police officers to train under the program.
"My intent is to discourage illegal immigration and its impact on the quality of life we have worked so hard to create in this community," Womack said in a prepared statement. "It is not my intent to hardship any of the many good, law-abiding immigrants who have come to this country to better themselves and their families -- and are making a meaningful contribution to our society."
His comments were followed by a number of comments from the community.
Martin Montes, a Rogers resident, suggested the city not take such drastic action that might ignite racial tension in the city. Instead, he said, the city should "promote understanding" and "proactive discussion." He also encouraged the city to address specific problems by cleaning up neighborhoods, enforcing parking regulations and other code enforcement issues.
Don Bland, representing Just Communities of Northwest Arkansas, which he said had "a mission of promoting understanding and respect between all people," encouraged positive and collective solutions to the immigration issue. His organization is planning what he called "dialogue for solutions" meetings soon and will provide a report to the city by the first of the year on the results of those discussions.
Jim Miranda of Bella Vista said he applauded Womack for wanting to do something about the issue, but he said Womack's response to the shooting of Rogers Detective Brian Culpepper didn't reflect the facts of the case. He presented numbers about arrests in the city in 2005 and the races involved. He said information gathered at the Rogers Police Department shows only 22 percent of the arrests last year involved Hispanics, but the department doesn't track how many of them were illegal immigrants.
"Crime knows no race," he said. "Crime is committed by criminals."
Manny Gomez, representing the local chapter of the League of United Latin American Citizens, encouraged city leaders to sit down with diverse groups in the city and come up with solutions to the problems rather than training police officers in immigration law.
Shawn McGrew of Rogers said his mother was Hispanic and his grandmother was an illegal immigrant. McGrew said he's not necessarily proud his grandmother came to this country illegally, but it made him what he is today. Addressing immigration with local laws is "like putting a Band Aid on a gash," he said.
"We need to get this issue resolved on a national level because that is where the wound is," McGrew said.
Judy Humphreys of Rogers commended the mayor for taking action on the issue. She stressed that legal immigrants are just as welcome in Rogers as she is, but illegal immigrants have broken the law by being here. They shouldn't be provided a free education and free health care, Humphreys said.
Bob Dufor of Rogers said he came to speak about a zoning issue, but felt compelled to also address the immigration topic. Dufor said he lived in Houston before coming to Rogers. There he said Hispanics were called "neighbors" and "friends." He said racial tension that could erupt in the city will mean worse problems than what Rogers is facing now.
Ann Baker of Rogers said she voted for Womack because he pledged to do something about illegal immigration when he ran for office. Baker said those here illegally have "no commitment to this community, to this state, to this country."
Womack said later it will be up to the City Council to approve funding for officers and the training program if the city is allowed to participate in the Homeland Security training program. He also noted there will plenty of time for additional public input and discussion before any action is taken.
MEETING INFORMATION
Rogers City Council
The Rogers City Council on Tuesday approved the following:
Two change orders totaling $42,905 for the Horsebarn Road improvement project.
A $25,000 contract for installation of traffic signals at Pleasant Grove Road and South Eighth Street.
Several planning issues, including rezoning and final plats recommended by the Rogers Planning Commission.
The council also heard the first reading of an ordinance raising sewer rates for customers of Rogers Water Utilities. The rates are recommended by the Rogers Water & Sewer Commission and include an 18 percent increase slated for January and another 11 percent jump in 2008. A final vote on the issue is expected Dec. 12.
Source: Staff Report
BY THE NUMBERS
2007 City Budget
Prior to its regular meeting Tuesday, the Rogers City Council put a tentative stamp of approval on the 2007 budget. The budget is expected to be officially approved Dec. 12.
The regular budget of $29.5 million, which includes $25.3 million in spending in the general fund, was approved without comment.
Some of the additional special expenditures approved and expected to be in the final budget include:
$629,000 for the first year of a two-year drainage manual study for the city
$500,000 for the city trails
$30,0000 for an employee impact or bonus program
$36,000 for enhancement of the city Web site
$705,558 for seven officers, two dispatchers equipment and vehicles for the Rogers Police Department
$218,295 for three firefighters, a fire marshal and improvements to Fire Station No. 2
Other new positions including a code enforcement officer, an inspector and Sunday part-time staff at the Rogers Library.
Issues that had been considered but were voted down Tuesday include:
A $43,000 salary survey for the city staff failed to gain approval with a tied vote of 4-4.
A new position in the City Clerk's Office that would have cost $36,692 next year.
A proposal to include vehicle allowances awarded some employees in their salary rather than as a separate compensation.
Source: Staff Report
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The city wrote on Nov 15, 2006 7:29 AM:
" The city will cave in. They are like any most politicians, all talk. We more and larger crows start to show up at the meetings you watch the city will back off............. "
against illegal aliens wrote on Nov 15, 2006 7:30 AM:
" Yes, Mayor Womack has taken the right step, IF he will stick to it and not let all the threats he recieved last night impact him. Threats about law suits against our city and not having the provisions to withstand a law suit like that. A suburb of Dallas Tx just passed this at thier council meeting on Monday night, a small town called Farmers Branch Texas, if they dont fear the threats why shoud we? Hopefully our Mayor and council members will see what the majority of people want done and move forward with thier plans~~~ regardless of threats! "
Long Time Citizen wrote on Nov 15, 2006 8:18 AM:
" "Citizen" Go back to Mexico, Where you belong if you don't like it. "
Rogers Resident wrote on Nov 15, 2006 8:33 AM:
" I think that we need to have this accountability to cut down on those profiting from the criminals needing assistance to blend into our community. Aiding and abetting is a crime!!!
To prevent further damage to the quality of life for all of those here legally, we need to support this cause. "
Understand but... wrote on Nov 15, 2006 9:26 AM:
" I understand why they want to train local law enforcement to better deal with illegal immigrants, but it is supposed to be the job of the federal government. Where in the world is INS? I don't have a problem with people coming to this country to build a better life for their families. I think it is crazy that someone would have to go thousands of miles from their home to kill chickens at minimum wage to do it. But like was stated before, doing so illegally is illegal and there is no other way to say it. "
Womack supported by a Veteran! wrote on Nov 15, 2006 10:03 AM:
" "Manny Gomez (what a joke), representing the local chapter of the League of United Latin American Citizens," This is a Legally operating US division of the Corrupt Mexican Gov't.(Lol...Mexican Gov't that's a contradiction in terms...) They only have on the agenda to Dominate the US and turn it into another Mexico.(Why did they leave Mexico again? Oh yeah, to come here for Work and a good life, but yet they want us to cater to them? My Country, My Town, My Language)
If Rogers does not stand up to this Mexican Mafia now, small town america will disappear forever. My parents, Grandparents, and Great Grandparents were here long before these Illegal immigrants were. They followed the laws. Why do we have to walk on eggshells for criminals.(Illegal Immigrants, it is a crime the second they cross the border.) To see the Texas Town that just passed the ordinace stand up and say "ENOUGH!" All eyes should be on them. Mayor Womack has more support on this issue then on anything else. Let's get some more press on this issue and get it on the agenda. Put it up for a vote.
Go ahead and bash me, but as a lifetime citizen of Rogers who has fought for my country and carry the shrapnel of an enemy, I respect what I have fought so hard to protect, and so should you. I dont see any Illegal Mexicans that are willing to go to war for you. "
Observer wrote on Nov 15, 2006 10:10 AM:
" Yes, its nice to make comments on blogs and believe that ILLEGAL aliens are a problem in Rogers, but where were you last night when it was being discussed at the council meeting? Its apparent that all everyone wants to do is gripe and complain, whether it be on a blog or to their neighbors, but when it comes down to actually getting off their rears and actually getting involved, its too much trouble.
If you noticed, the LULAC representative and others were present supporting the side of the ILLEGALS and only a few people spoke to support the Mayor and his agenda. You who are outraged by the crime, drugs, and gangs of the ILLEGALS should be ashamed of yourselves for not taking enough initiative to show up and let the Mayor and council know that there are people who care about this issue. If nothing ends up being done and your city becomes a third world entity, you have one to blame but yourselves. "
AGREE wrote on Nov 15, 2006 10:24 AM:
" I agree with observer....where were all of you last night? I was looking for a large turnout of American citizens to be there to speak thier voice! The Hispanics had thier little speaches all ready and took up the majority of the time...of course they were standing wanting to speak before it was even put into motion and kept popping up like (mexican)jumping beans to be heard. If you support this then be at the council meetings to show your support, even if it is not on the agenda you can be sure it will be talked about and it wont be long till the mexicans have taken over city hall.....dont let that happen! "
Born here wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:00 AM:
" If you want to claim you are not from Mexico, you need to learn english before you bash us. "
To Born here. wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:06 AM:
" I know two languages and I'm still learning English. But I would like to go with you to a job interview and to see who gets the job. And I'm not talking about any job. One that pays about 100,000.00 a year. Like the one that I have right now. And you have the advantage, because you where born here. "
Catch you in the act! wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:10 AM:
" This was a experiment. To you all that say that the Latinos or the "illegals" are taking advantage of the social security or taxes. We are supporting two racists that don't have a job. My experiment prove my theory. Thank you for participating. Hasta luego... "
Born here wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:24 AM:
" $100,000 a year? I doubt that. If it is true, you are being severely overpaid. The reason I doubt that you make that figure is that Mexicans = cheap labor = income being driven down. "
NOT WORKING ? wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:25 AM:
" And how may I ask did you come to that conclusion? I go to work every day..pay my taxes and keep my money in my community, since I am sure yours goes to Mexico to bring more illegal aliens here, along with all thier drugs, and other crime that comes with them. "
do you have wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:39 AM:
" tracers on your computer since we have been "caught" in the act? and your next step will be....what? I think you have fooled yourself into thinking that people want you here just because you can speak English. I have an idea....why dont you go to mexico and teach ENGLISH there so they can at least communicate when they sneak across the borders, or when they end up in jail for the crimes thier commiting then our law enforcement wouldn't have to hire spanish speaking officers. Or when they are in the school system illegally we could do away with esl classes....Gee, students that can actually speak English?! Maybe then out teachers would have a chance to teach what they are there for instead of having to spend time with hispanics that cant speak the language! "
Born ad Raised in Rogers wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:43 AM:
" I was all excited that our mayor and aldermen might be actually going to do something. What did they do, ask the federal government for help. Why, because they got scared of a lawsuit. You guys let me and all of Rogers down. "
born in America wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:47 AM:
" I really dont believe they have given up, just doing some checking to see the best way to go about doing this. I think it is a good idea to get more officers trained in security and when they catch illegals they can detain them, which is more than they are doing now. Our city officials are elected, and if they cant please the legal citizens of this city maybe the next elected officials will. "
Support the Mayor wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:48 AM:
" I applaud you Mayor Womack and hope last night’s meeting will not keep you from continuing your efforts in controlling illegal immigrants in Rogers, AR. My Grand parents came to America from Germany, they were required to spend 3 months on Ellis Island learning American culture, history and the English language. Prepared with this minimum knowledge they blended quite will into society, even starting a successful business in St. Louis. Was keeping them on Ellis Island discrimination? No, It was a method to produce a wage earning, tax paying, law abiding citizens. I have lived in NW Arkansas since 1949 and have seen a lot of changes. Almost all were good until this influx of illegal immigrants. Go Mayor! Stick to your agenda! "
AGREE wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:59 AM:
" Also, if they are here legally we know that they have followed other laws...like making sure all children have immunizations before entering the school system. I have school age children and am scared to death of what they are being exposed to on a daily basis, not to mention just going to the store and meeting these people and wondering what kind of disease they are carrying. with the outbreak of tb and chicken pox again it is a scary thought. They get everything else free at the health dept., why dont they just go ahead and get thier shots also? "
Dany wrote on Nov 15, 2006 12:04 PM:
" We have an issue, how ever the issue/problem that we have is about immigration. I have been reading all of your comments, and there is many people here that support Womack, and I completly agree with you guys, BUT, you all should be ashamed of what you are saying, why do yuo hide your identities, if you are so concerned about this issue speak up, show up for the meetings. I just want to make this very clear for everyone, I'm American, I was born In Mexico which is America, I have a brother fighting in Iraq right now defending our country he is Mexican as well, with all your respect, if you all are so patriotic why aren't you fighting? fighting for what? So that you can vote! So that you can express what you are writting in this article! So that you can speak up!. You'll should be ashamed that as we have people from all over the world fighting for the US, you'll sit here and call us names, give us a bad image. You'll need to look into your selves and see what you can do to be a better person and quit being racist.
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Ron wrote on Nov 15, 2006 12:28 PM:
" TO DANY: Racist?? Why would you call people who are concerned about their family's welfare and future Racist? Why do you "people" when ever you disagree with the issue call someone Racist? You would have to be a racist to call someone a racist wouldn't you?? Look in the mirror Dany! I support Mayor Womack also. So I guess I am a racist. "
Art Vanderlay wrote on Nov 15, 2006 12:35 PM:
" To throw the Label of Racist out is the only argument they have left.
"
Dany wrote on Nov 15, 2006 12:38 PM:
" Hey Ron, With all your respect Ron, I do not like the way you are approaching me, If you can follow a civilized conversation I'm here to listen. But the key, is Respect for the individual. Let me also tell you something I support mayor Womack for wanting to do something about illegal immigration however, I disagree with the way he is approaching the issue, he is creating more tension, he is creating more problems than we already have for the community, face it, you nor Womack nor the federal goverment can stop illegal immigration, how are you going to do it, there is corrupt US government (INS Officials) Just like there is in Mexico. IF YOU CAN NOT DEFEAT THE ENEMY, BECOME HIS FRIEND is an old saying that we have in Mexico.
"
To Art wrote on Nov 15, 2006 12:40 PM:
" You are correct, I only hope the very last argument won't be violence. "
Ron wrote on Nov 15, 2006 12:45 PM:
" Must be a really good saying. And works well too. Just look at the 11 million plus illegals leaving Mexico. on the matter of corruption... We all know Mexico does not have an corrupt government. By the way learn how to spell US Government before you attempt to bash it! "
Dany wrote on Nov 15, 2006 12:47 PM:
" Art:
I'm not arguing with anybody I'm posting my opinion, and trying to open your eyes realize that what you all having writting its very offensive against the hispanic community.
Oh and one more thing the last thing I want to do is cause any confrontations,
We are here to make a living to have a better future for our families, we are not here to still your jobs or for cheap labor. "
Dany wrote on Nov 15, 2006 12:53 PM:
" Ron: We do have a corrupt government in Mexico, and we are not in the US because of corruption in Mexico, we are here for a better way of life. Oh and please excuse me for spelling wrong US Government.
By the way what is your issue? What would you like to comment on?
"
Ron wrote on Nov 15, 2006 1:07 PM:
" My issue is that there is a legal way of entering this country, and has been ever since it's founding. Millions have entered this country legally and became productive citizens. Paying taxes (All Taxes, not just the ones the employer's are required to withhold). Learned the language to better themselves and again to be productive. Most illegals come just to Take and Take then go back to Mexico. This country is what it is because it's people also give, not just take. They give money in taxes, they give their lives to defend it. Basically if you are a illegal immigrant ~ you are a criminal. "
lovethyneighbor wrote on Nov 15, 2006 1:14 PM:
" Agree, that is such a racist and ingnorant thing for you to say! How do you know who has had immunizations and who hasn't?? Do they have it printed on their head?? First of all children who have not been properly immunized are not permitted to go to school!! Stupid people like you really irritate me!!!!!! "
Steve Womack will fail wrote on Nov 15, 2006 1:15 PM:
" This will fail becasue the mayor and city attorney does not have what it takes to push it through...... "
Dany wrote on Nov 15, 2006 1:22 PM:
" Wow, lets take one step at the time.
Yes they are illegals because they have crossed the border illegally, however they are not criminals, yes theres criminals out there but lets not sterotype. Now about taxes there is approximately 73 Millions of unclaimed taxes with the IRS, this is money due back to people, why is there such a big amount of unclaimed taxes? Because illegal immigrants do not report their income tax why because they are afraid and if you log on to the IRS wedsite you will find that is totally legal? So Where is this money coming from? From illegal tax paying people. And illegals don't come here to take take and take they come here to Earn. "
TO DANY wrote on Nov 15, 2006 1:30 PM:
" NEWSFLASH !!! Crossing a international border illegally is a federal offense. In other words a criminal offense that equals CRIMINAL. Are trying to justify ummmm lets see.... maybe your actions? "
Ron wrote on Nov 15, 2006 1:43 PM:
" Those unclaimed tax dollars you refer to are not tax dollars Illegal workers Paid to the IRS. It is tax dollars that is with held by their employers who are required to do so. It is just money the illegals can not legally claim. "
Been in the school wrote on Nov 15, 2006 1:56 PM:
" yes there are children attending public school without documantation, of anything! no proof of citizenship, no proof of medical records ect. ect. Our hospitals have turned into free clinics for hispanics. those tax dollars they are paying on groceries are most times paid for with food stamps, obtained illegally...so there again American citizens are still paying thier way! WAKE UP AMERICA!!! "
disapointed wrote on Nov 15, 2006 2:02 PM:
" I have been reading these comments and Im hearing so much hate. Its really disapionting!! sombody writes a comment and your so quick to judge and in turn write a nasty message back!! Are we not adults here?? Yes, alot of hispanics are here illegally. If they had the money to come legally they would!!!!! (It cost to get here legally, by the way)If they are coming over here to work, what makes you think they could pay their way here?? These "mexicans", "Jumping beans,"( asagree called them) are warm, loving people! They just want a better life for their families. So, for most of you, the gripe is that they came here illegally, so that makes them a criminal. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY NOR RESOURSES TO COME HERE LEGALLY!! Can everyone understand that?? They are fighting everyday over there just to live. They risk death to get here, just to keep there family alive in mexico.I want to tell all of you a little story, true story of someone I know. He is mexican, he came here illegally about ten years ago. His eldest son was dying of kedney failure. With no money for an operation, he came here. all the while sending money to his family to keep his son alive. His son was waiting for a kidney transplant and was put on dialysis. One day i seen him crying, very upset and I said "pablo, whats wrong, is everything ok?" (cont...) "
disapointed wrote on Nov 15, 2006 2:16 PM:
" (cont..) He told me that he had just talked to his wife in Mexico and the son was doing really bad and might not make it much longer. His wife told him to please come home that his son was begging to see him before he died. But the problem was if he chose to go to see his son he would surely die quickly for if he was not working he could not keep paying for the dialysis. also he was afaid to go back for fear that when he did try to return he would't make it back to the US. My heart was breaking for him!! What should he do? should he go back and be by his sons side? or should he stay and keep sending money and hope that he lives to get his transplant?? He stayed, he kept his son alive for one more year, but he did not get a chance to see him before he died. So, I say to you that no matter what you do they will still come. woulldnt you if your son or daughter or mother was dying?? Think about it. They are not criminals and should NOT be treated as such!!! "
been in the school wrote on Nov 15, 2006 2:36 PM:
" Dear been...
No, not aloud!!! My daughter needed a shot before she could even attend one day of school. The only way they could obtain foodstamps is by having a american born child. Which some of them do have children born in the US, which intitles them to foodstamps! also I have many hispanic friends and trust me their children are being immunized!!! dont worry you wont catch anything from them just like you cant catch AIDS by sitting by someone who has it at the movie theater, or standing in line at the grocery store!! "
Support wrote on Nov 15, 2006 2:42 PM:
" The problem is with the immigration proposal is of all of these positive comments supporting the Mayor and his decision, etc very few (2) stood up at the meeting to support it. Stop commenting on newpaper reports and voice your opinions where it counts, at the city council meetings. "
Ignorance, Ignorance, Ignorance wrote on Nov 15, 2006 2:45 PM:
" As I read some of the comments stated here, I continue to be in complete dismay about the HIGH LEVEL OF IGNORANCE. I understand now why most of the people that I study with here in New York, make fun of me when I tell them I come from Arkansas. They're absolutely right when they say to me: "Where's your straw hat and your overalls?", "How come you are wearing shoes?","Did your dad marry his sister?", and so on. Until we in Arkansas stop thinking as if we were living back in the Orval Faubus era, everyone in the US will continue to look down on us and be right when they say we are nothing but a bunch of close minded,uneducated rednecks. "
Born and Raised in Rogers wrote on Nov 15, 2006 2:46 PM:
" IF YOU CAN NOT DEFEAT THE ENEMY, BECOME HIS FRIEND. Does that mean move into his house, rearrange all his furniture and replace all his books with mexican ones. If your going to live here get with the program. You know if all the illegals would try to learn to speak english and try to fir in instead of trying to turn this area into a little mexico there probably wouldn't be all this trouble now. "
Dany wrote on Nov 15, 2006 2:48 PM:
" To Ron:
Ron your comment is ignorant and irritating, Let me tell you something and you can double check if you do not believe me, Those tax dollars are being withheld from illegal workers. One example you repoert your yearly income right? You get to write off medical expenses, interest on your home (if you own one), donations to church etc.... and more than likely you over paid the IRS. Well It works just the same way for illegal workers except they do not get the advantage of writing off all of this things. Some times they don't even file income tax just because they are afraid. But you know what go do a little research with the IRS, and type in ITIN that stands for Individual Tax Identification Number, and this number is just what it says, is a number for people that do not have a social security number so that they can do their income taxes, is totaly legal, if you think it's illegal maybe you need to complain to uncle sam. "
Dany wrote on Nov 15, 2006 2:56 PM:
" To: Born and raise in Rogers,
That saying that I posted on there you can represent it however you would like, I'm not going to come down to your level and argue with you or any ignorant people that do not know what they are supporting. "
Bubba wrote on Nov 15, 2006 4:27 PM:
" Me personly am glad that mister womac is doing somin bout dose mesicans. They come ere an cause oll kines of truble wit der strange tungs an such.
Me personly am glad to c all da suport frum the good citisins of dis city for der maer. long live da cunfederacy!
Anybudy hav any xtra teeth i can burow? I need sum for eeting uh posum tacko. "
American By BIRTH wrote on Nov 15, 2006 4:53 PM:
" "As AMERICANS we have to remember that our forefathers came here from other countries and maybe they were not considered ILLEGALS, but nonetheless changed the culture and transformed our country into what it is today. At some point they went through racism, bigatry and hatred, "DOES IT MAKE IT RIGHT FOR IT TO CONTINUE NOW?" Unfortunately, a few rotten eggs spoil the whole carton, and that is with every group of people that live in the US. It transcends color, nationality, and ethnicity, we ALL cannot be held accountable for what a certain few do. Lets work together to fix this problem, not fight against each other." Were all human beings.... "
what part of wrote on Nov 15, 2006 6:11 PM:
" ILLEGAL do you not understand? the reason the hispanic speakers were from other cities is beacuse its hard to find many ENGLISH speaking mexicans here....so they call in help from other places to make it look like they are a big part of Rogers! what were people from other cities doing speaking at Rogers city council meeting? maybe they are afraid the illegals will come to thier town when Mayor Womack passes this ordinance. "
Frustrated ! wrote on Nov 15, 2006 7:21 PM:
" You know, I just can't understand why everyone is getting so off track of the original subject...control of illegal aliens. NOT just Mexicans ! Yes, they may be the primary, but not all inclusive. As far as criminals, well, yes...crossing the border is illegal, but look at the police record in the paper; most of the offenses are NOT created by the hispanic community. Drugs and violent acts are dealt, used, possessed and sold by all races. I am US born and raised and I have too many hispanic friends to sling such flagrant accusations. Not to mention, not ALL hispanics are Mexican !! Don't stereotype and doint point fingers unless you know, for certain, all the facts !! "
CHECK THE STATS wrote on Nov 15, 2006 8:18 PM:
" Mayor Womack checked the stats today....read the latest. Yes the majority of crime is illeagal mexicans, now is that a surprise? "
Rogers wrote on Nov 15, 2006 8:37 PM:
" Of the 57 arrests for delivery or intent to deliver drugs in Rogers since the first of 2005, 43 were Hispanic and 25 were illegal immigrants, according to statistics gathered by Mayor Steve Womack on Wednesday.
"Forty-four percent of the worst-of-the-worst drug arrests were illegals," Womack said. "Forty-four percent of the big stuff should be a major concern to the citizens of this community."
"
Dave wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:37 PM:
" All the real truth about illegal immigration and what it is costing the US Taxpayer? Not the far liberal left that offer you lies and try to distract you from the ugly truth, go to:-- http://www.immigrationcounters.com/ "
Dave wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:41 PM:
" The illegal immigration invasion has a secret agenda? Find out for yourself what the future has in store for YOU and your kids.
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/sovereignty/sovereignty.html
Remember knowledge is POWER! "
Eliz. wrote on Nov 15, 2006 11:53 PM:
" TO disapointed,I do feel for the illegal aliens.But the law is the law.It should be up held and enforced. This is the country my family members has fought for sense, before the white man came. Our Bible tells us their wont be 2 set's of laws.Just one! And to the posting of,Ignorance.I would much rather,be ignorance and live right, by God law and by the law of our country. My family may be red necks,but we do know when some one is p.... on us and saying its raining.I'm not ashame of who I am,my grand parents were half breeds.My grand children are half Mexican.But they are legal.In the eyes of man and God.Yes I do have 2 black Aunts.Who I love and respect. So who's realy ignorance? "
Amazed wrote on Nov 16, 2006 8:34 AM:
" To "disappinted:" what part of ILLEGAL do you not understand? These people are creating a CRIMINAL act against everyone who is in this country legally and you are justifying their actions by amking excuses. By your logic, someone without money is justified in stealing. Get real! "
AGREE wrote on Nov 16, 2006 9:44 AM:
" with amazed....ILLEGAL is just that~~ILLEGAL. it doesnt matter what the situation is. yes I can understand wanting get help for your child, but do it the right way!
"
website wrote on Nov 16, 2006 9:47 AM:
" there is a websit out there called 'wehirealiens.com'....if you are aware of a company that is doing that report them there. also you can look at companies that are alreday listed and comment on them or update. you would be suprised who is on that list. send them a message and dont buy thier products or frequent thier establishments! "
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/ wrote on Nov 16, 2006 11:31 AM:
" http://www.immigrationcounters.com/ "
disapointed wrote on Nov 16, 2006 1:13 PM:
" To agree and amazed,
What part of THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY OR RESOURSES TO COME THE LEGAL WAY don't you understand?? If there was a program such as a 3 year working permit to be in the US, I'm sure they would all line up to get one before they entered the US!! They are desperate to make a better life for themselves. How can you people be so cruel? We are all human beings, Gods children, we are supose to help our neighbor not kick him when he's down!! how about Dafur?? Thousands have been slaughtered there everyday, yet we do nothing?? my piont is stop fighting, open your heart to these people. I promise you its so much more rewarding to help someone who is in need. "
Amazed wrote on Nov 16, 2006 2:24 PM:
" Again to "disappointed": I understand perfectly clearly that they do not have the resources to do what they want LEGALLY. Therefore, my point is that they should not do it. Period. You are giving permission for someone to perpetrate a crminal act to achieve something they want. How morally wrong is that? You need to get off your high horse and deal with reality. The entire fabric of society would desinegrate under your flawed logic of "take what you want." Maybe these people should work and save the money they need to come here legally. Obviously they are strong and healthy enough to walk/swim over the border... "
Dany wrote on Nov 16, 2006 4:48 PM:
" Well let me tell you something, if it was as easy for them, if they could go to the INS and pay 1000, 5000, or even 10,000 they would, so that they could be here legally, but you know what the INS Does not give you a Green Card just like that YOu have to have a sponsor that is the hard part and even with a sponsor usually it takes areound 10 to 15 yrs for the INS to process their Applications. "
Eliz wrote on Nov 16, 2006 11:00 PM:
" Dany,If coming to America,isn't worth waiting and coming here the right way,then that person shouldn't come at all.What if 15-20 million of Americans crossed the border into Mexico,started waving our flag and say were here to stay,get over it. YOU that reads this,that are from Mexico,tell the truth and tell every one what would happen to us American's? We Americans,are giving people.But no one takes from us. I would be the first to help a child,no matter if they had green skin and pink eyes. I get fighting mad,to see any one mistreating an elder person or a little child.The little has faver in Gods eyes. "
Amazed wrote on Nov 17, 2006 10:41 AM:
" Once again some of the "logic" used here amazes me. Essentially what Dany is saying is that IT IS HARD AND TAKES A LONG TIME SO I WILL TAKE THE QUIKER, ILLEGAL PATH TO GET WHAT I WANT. Wow! What if all of us took that attitude in life? "
AGREE wrote on Nov 17, 2006 11:07 AM:
" Now if we are all as determined to do something as we say....we can each do just a little. Why not quit going to the Mexican restaurants that have ONLY hispanic employees (which is most of them). I know it doesnt sound like much but if we can hit them in the pocketbook it helps! Just a suggestion, because you can almost bet they have illegals working in each and every one!! EDont frequent ANY hispanic business no matter what they sell! "
huh wrote on Nov 20, 2006 12:39 AM:
" Agree now you are being racist. It is the responsibility of the govt. to police and enforce immigration laws. Just because a restaurant or store is "Mexican" or owned by an Hispanic does not mean there are illegals.
Most illegal aliens are working at businesses owned and run by American many of them white. Are you going to boycott Walmart who got in trouble for immigration violations or Tyson?
The fact of the matter is illegal immigration is a huge problem in the US but single out the entire race because some are illegal is ridiculous. There are illegal Eastern Europeans all over the US, and they are white. What we need to do is create new laws and enforcement to stem this problem and keep illegals out of this country. "
N wrote on Nov 20, 2006 8:38 AM:
" Yeah, lets send them all back so we can send all our jobs to Mexico, like almost every major buisness is doing already. Maybe if we just bring all the Mexicans here, we can bring all the good paying jobs back. "
disapointed wrote on Nov 20, 2006 12:56 PM:
" Again to Amazed, where should they work to save money?? If you are lucky enough to get a job in Mexico, how do you save any money on the 8.00 a day that they earn??? I'm asking you to put yourself in their shoes for a few minutes. think about what it would be like to have only a cup of rice to cook for dinner? your children have no shoes to wear to school? you have no running water in your house? defently no air conditioning? you just worked all day long for a few dollars, your lying in bed(if you have a bed)and your dreaming of a better life. Tell me what would you do?? someone offers to take you across the border( if you are so lucky)you could make more in two weeks than what you could make in one year! and no some of them are not strong enough!! many die everyday trying to cross!!! do you not watch the news?? just last year a mother was crossing the desert with her 3 year old son. i assume she couldn,t bear to leave him in Mexico. she made it , he didn't. She had to leave him dead in the desert. he didnt have to die!! senseless deaths. THATS REALITY!!!! "
Jane wrote on Nov 20, 2006 3:00 PM:
" Disapointed, I agree that there are many sad stories. But what you conviently keep ignoring are the legal & moral issues involved with people coming into this country the wrong way. A criminal is a criminal. There is a reason we have laws and if you make an exception for one group then you have to make it for everyone else. Maybe Mexico should take care of its own. At the risk of sounding harsh, it is not the United State's responsibility to take on all the downtrodden of the world. "
agree wrote on Nov 20, 2006 8:26 PM:
" jane is right on with everything. why are we expected to let them some here and most of the time they get here and want whatever they can get for nothing. if we quit giving to them and made it harder for them to live here they would go home where they belong. "
Tspud wrote on Nov 20, 2006 9:15 PM:
" Disapointed did you read about the " "mexicans", are warm, loving people! They just want a better life for their families." this paper the other day?
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2006/11/11/news/111206bzillegalscourt.txt
I see this repeated everyday all over the country. How many drive without a license? How many drive without insurance? How many don't file taxes or pay taxes? How many work under fake social security numbers? How many run out on the hospital bill? How many pay for the school system? How many run out on their court dates, etc, etc, etc. "
Otis the Town Drunk wrote on Nov 21, 2006 1:35 AM:
" I'm curious to hear what my Mexican friends have to say about the Mexican government.They've been there;I haven't.Is it as rotten as we're told? Would a military invasion and overthrow of their government help solve Mexico's inner economic problems? It just seems as a native US citizen that Mexico is a bigger threat than Iraq or North Korea,that's all. "
Fed Up wrote on Nov 21, 2006 3:39 AM:
" Glad to see that people in Rogers are beginning to wake up to the criminality of illegal aliens. In my Missouri town, it seems to be a race to see how many anchor babies an illegal male can amass for the welfare payments. There is another race on to see how many illegals can bring in infectious diseases to the county because, after all, they don't have to get medical or criminal checks like the legal immigrants "standing in line." And how many more illegals will my sister see in the WIC program she runs as a county health nurse? Our tax dollars hard at work there -- and also in the local emergency room where illegals get free treatment. How many more illegals will we pay to feed and clothe in our jail? And if you play the "race card" like the race pimps of LULAC do -- then America, you reap what you sow. "
One World wrote on Nov 21, 2006 8:29 AM:
" All we all need is one world, look at Arkansa from Space you will not be abale to see it nor would you be able to see boarders. Every one need to get along and share the Earth with true love that is the key "CAN YOU DO IT" "
Tspud wrote on Nov 21, 2006 8:36 AM:
" One World needs to get out in the "real world" & meet a few of the loving people that saw other's heads off in the name of religion. When that suicide bomb goes off next to him, he will ask why me as have so many others who were innocent. "
disapointed wrote on Nov 21, 2006 11:45 AM:
" what i am trying to show you is another side?? and what it comes down to is we need to get a progam set up for them so that it easier for them to get here legally. because instead of kicking them out I feel it would be better to help them! thats just the kind of person I am. No, its not the United States responsibilty, its YOUR responsibility as a human being. What if you were the one in need? wouldn't you want someone to be there for you?? One day you might be the one in need??? the world would be such a better place if you would just OPEN your eyes and your hearts!! forget about everything else and remember that they are human beings just like you and me!! they are coming over here illegally, yes I know thats wrong. but they are desperate and I cant blame them! think about it, its the right thing to do it really is! "
Tspud wrote on Nov 21, 2006 1:53 PM:
" Disapointed, you did not mention Mr Camacho or his friends who killed Daniel Francis, 32, a diesel mechanic headed home after work on May 6. How many people are there in Hondurss, Ecuador, Brazil, Nicaraugra, Panama, etc that want to come here? At what number do YOU think it should stop? Does it take the collapse of our country to make you feel good about yourself? Your bleeding heart is the path to socialism in this country. Once they are all here, won't our country become like where they all came from? Why import poverty & ignorance? "
Tspud wrote on Nov 21, 2006 4:20 PM:
" I tried to get along but:
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061117/BREAKING01/61117020
An illegal immigrant from Mexico arrested in Branson on Nov. 11 is wanted for murder in South Carolina, immigration agents discovered after running the man’s prints through a fingerprint database.
Isaias Diaz-Gutierrez, 26, had been using an assumed name when he was arrested by Branson police. ICE took custody of Diaz-Gutierrez on Wednesday. A fingerprint check identified him as being wanted in York County, S.C. for murder, armed robbery, and three counts of forgery.
A separate criminal database revealed that Diaz-Gutierrez is charged with beating an 81-year-old man using a concrete block in late December 2002. The man died the next month. "
One World wrote on Nov 22, 2006 7:09 AM:
" Yes I have been around the world Tspud, it is how each person look at things When British took over India Indians suffered greatly, When US tested the H Bomb in Bikini Atoll The Macronasian Suffered, France Also doing the same thing in Tahiti, Tahitians suffered What the whites Did to Blacks. The Blacks Suffered, Now it will take All the world of Humanity, not to look at each other as a different race, But to look at each other as a humanrace and come together whole heartedly and say we are all one FAMILY and let us all work together and forget the pass. Let us all work for the betterment of our society. "
Tspud wrote on Nov 22, 2006 9:12 AM:
" Nice try One World, what does this have to do with our borders and people breaking the law that shouldn't be here? I ask again, just how many is enough? Mexico still has 106 million that haven't made it here,El Salv 6.7, Brazil 186., Guatemala 14.6,Honduras 7.0, Nicaragua 5.5 & Panama
3.0 million, etc. Let's not ignore the fact that there some out there that don't exactly see things the way you do & want to kill you & your children for just being another religion. They can't even get along with their own religion. "
One World wrote on Nov 22, 2006 12:06 PM:
" I understand where you are coming from Tspud.. You have to have a broader aspect of life In reality Mexico, Honduras, are just name of placeses that came about in time Million years ago this was not the case may be your family and my family were frends. Besides all this When this Great Nation was born it was born with lots of blood shade, and it will be America that will bring peace and justice to all the regions of the world. You are in good Place and see what good you can do for all your friends no matter from where they are. It is in this life that you can do good, and the good of this world is your passport to the next. "
disapointed wrote on Nov 22, 2006 2:35 PM:
" to tspud, there are killings that take place in EVERY race! Americans kill, like the guy who blew up the building in oklahoma city. He was one of our own, born and raised here! So because he was white should we look at you like a killer too? Should we condem all americans for his mistakes? If mr.camancho had been documented maybe he would have been caught before he comitted anymore crimes. They are coming over here whether you like it or not and I think the best thing to do is make sure everyone is documented! That way we know who exactly is in our country and who is not. As far as my "bleeding heart" I am proud to have one! it is the people like me who make not only this country, but the world a better place! I WILL stand up for what I beleive in and I WILL be the voice for others that are to afraid to speak because of people like you! You can not kick out 12 million people, its not gonna happen. so, they need to be documented!!! How bout the next time you go on a family vacation, instead of giong to disney world or hawaii, go to mexico and im not talking about cancun. Go to some of the small ranches on the outskirts of juarez and ask God to heat up your COLD, COLD heart!!!!!! "
Wow wrote on Nov 22, 2006 3:31 PM:
" I feel very sorry for disapointed. (Perhaps delusional might be more appropriate). It must be a terrbile burden being so superior to everyone else AND have to blow your own horn to make everyone realize it. "
Tspud wrote on Nov 23, 2006 10:36 AM:
" I guess since we can't kick out 20 million then I shouldn't have to obey stop signs or speed limits because they can't catch us all. Maybe we shouldn't pay our taxes because they can't catch us all. "Since they can't catch us" is not an excuse to break the law. Mr Camacho had been VERY WELL documented "Officials describe his criminal history in California as "lengthy," peppered with charges such as shooting at an inhabited dwelling or vehicle -- and assault with a firearm.
After a 2000 arrest in Salinas, Calif., Camacho was deported back to Mexico, officials from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement say. But by 2003 Camacho was living in Northwest Arkansas.Rogers police encountered him almost a dozen times between 2003 to 2006." Is that documented enough?
These are the type of beasts that I want out and don't want to support. I have no problem with following the law, they should too. "
ZNOW wrote on Nov 26, 2006 2:32 PM:
" Well with all the posturing we should think about several things, first of all if your here and your an illegal your breaking the law no matter where your from. If your a U.S. citizen vote for the person that best represents your political views(immigration reform ect ect.
Fact we do not know what type of people we are getting when we do not make our borders secure we get everything from drug dealers to pedofiles and murderers not saying that they are all bad people but there are others besides hispanic speaking individuals crossing our open borders which includ but are not limited to people from the Middle East, India, and Afghanistan. I find this very alarming to say the least. Last is my take on the situation I do not dislike Hispanic people I just wish my country and government would hold up the law as well as when I am driving to fast and get a ticket as they do when they arrest an illegal immigrant and follow through on the situation and not just release them back out into the general public. I believe that the organization that releases someone who is illegally in this country should be held accountable if that person commits
another crime because it would not have happened if they had followed the proper procedure. "
Ok now we're all guilty wrote on Nov 29, 2006 10:49 PM:
" Tspud,
Wow, you have made such a strong point that I believe we should round up everyone that looks like Lobaton and throw them all in jail! Why stop there; let's get all the Gacys', Dahmers' Haggards', Floyd's (did I say Floyds, I'm sorry Ronnie) and throw them all in prison; we cannot risk what these families may do.
A criminal is a criminal, regardless of race, color, creed, religion ("blow-hardness"), national origin, sexual orientation or legal status. Do I need to quote history or should I assume that you paid attention in grade school social studies?
How easy it would be if everything was as simple as it appears in tspud's world. I would be the first to slip out of my shoes, rip my teeth out and speak in a southern drawl and "go git da Hizpaniks!"
Let's take a drive to Bentonville's Decision Point and let's count the addicts, I wonder how many "Messicuns" we'll find; my guess is not too many, they are all too busy mowing yards and washing dishes; perhaps they are busy committing crimes in Rogers.
Grow up; your silly arguments are old and tired.
"
Tspud wrote on Nov 30, 2006 9:36 PM:
" Your bias is showing thru. I never suggested that we round anyone up much less ALL. We need to put away the repeat offenders who have shown their complete lack of respect for the laws of OUR society. Thre has been nothing silly in any of my aguments and just becuase you say so doesn't make it so. You also don't know my world. How's Fernando Rodriguez
doing today? "
Not already registered?
Bentonville Citizen wrote on Nov 15, 2006 6:39 AM: