Jonesboro shooter found with gun, pot, while with crossbow killer
Last updated Tuesday, January 9, 2007 8:19 PM CST in News
By Marcus Kabel
The Associated Press
FAYETTEVILLE -- One of two boys convicted in the 1998 Jonesboro school shootings was found with a loaded gun and marijuana on New Year's Day, along with his roommate, a man incarcerated for three years as a teen for killing his father with a crossbow.
Mitchell Johnson, now 22, was 13 when he and classmate Andrew Golden killed four girls and a teacher in a March 24, 1998, shooting at Jonesboro Westside Middle School. Justin Trammell was 15 when convicted of killing his father in 1999.
Trammell was driving Johnson's 1991 Ford Econoline van a few blocks from their residence at the Appleby Apartments, 2918 N. Gregg St. in Fayetteville, when a sheriff's officer noticed it weaving about 8 p.m. New Year's Day. Washington County Deputy Jak Kimball said Cpl. Steven Hulsey smelled marijuana and asked to search the van.
"That's what you're looking for," Johnson said when Hulsey found the marijuana, according to the officer's report. Johnson told the officer there was also a gun in the van and Hulsey found a loaded 9 mm pistol in the rear of the vehicle, the report said.
Johnson was arrested and charged with carrying a prohibited weapon and possession of a controlled substance, both misdemeanors. He was released on a $1,000 bond -- he listed Trammell as his "brother" on his release papers -- and faces a Jan. 26 arraignment.
"He was probably only in (jail) for a couple of hours," Kimball said.
Trammell was cited for careless driving and not arrested, Kimball said. He is due in court the same day.
Neither Johnson nor Trammell have criminal records because they were juveniles when they committed their crimes. If Johnson had a criminal record, he could have been charged with a felony, Kimball said.
Kimball said authorities were aware Johnson was living in the Fayetteville area, but that they hadn't had any previous encounters with him.
"We knew he was around," Kimball said.
When Trammell was released from prison in 2002, a judge admonished him to "lead an exemplary life." After violating terms of his parole, he was reassigned to a juvenile facility until his 21st birthday, July 4, 2005.
Trammell was the first person sentenced under a new law in Arkansas that allowed the blending of adult and juvenile sentences -- changes in the law passed in response to the Jonesboro school shootings.
Gov. Mike Beebe, who as a state senator backed the blended sentences law, said he was surprised by Johnson's arrest.
"Those people who find themselves in that situation sure ought to have the attitude that they take advantage of it and do right," Beebe said. "I'm a little surprised and obviously it's a terrible thing if you've got somebody who in effect gets a second chance and doesn't take advantage of it."
Dustin McDaniel, who was sworn in as attorney general Tuesday, said he was glad police were not injured during Johnson's arrest. McDaniel, a former police officer, was a state representative from Jonesboro before being elected the state's top law enforcement officer.
"The great frustration for a lot of people, including me, about the nature of the juvenile system was that these young men were permitted to walk from jail without even being considered convicted felons," he said. "The idea that potentially more people could be endangered is exactly what everyone had been afraid of."
Brent Davis, who prosecuted the 1998 case against Johnson and Golden, said the fact Johnson has a clean criminal record shows the law was "woefully inadequate" when dealing with juveniles who commit brutal crimes.
"It's not like he's on parole or probation or any restrictions, as odd as it seems, in light of what he's previously been involved in," Davis said.
Mitchell's arrest and "the fact that his past is not considered is just another example of the inadequacy of the law that we had to deal with," Davis said.
Michael Trammell, 38, of Benton County, died Sept. 26, 1999, after an arrow from the crossbow pierced both of his lungs. Justin fired the fatal bolt when his father interrupted him as he was planning to run away from home.
Justin Trammell pleaded guilty to first-degree murder in June 2000.
Johnson's mother, Gretchen Woodard, said last summer as Johnson's 21st birthday approached that her son would leave Arkansas and was considering becoming a minister.
Golden, who was 11 at the time of the shootings, remains incarcerated; he is eligible for release on May 25, his 21st birthday.
Meanwhile, Golden's grandfather, Douglas Golden, 70, died Monday in his home. A cause of death wasn't immediately known. According to police, the boys stole guns from the elder Golden's home for use in the school attack. It wasn't known whether the younger Golden would be allowed to attend the funeral.
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Brazos wrote on Jan 9, 2007 6:44 PM:
" This is a horriable situation. They need to leave the Great State of Arkansas. Try California or better yet, there is a lot of places to go in Mexico. How can these two be living here and we not know it? That is something that law enforcement should have made public. These two are very bad news. I hope they don't live by my family? "
KidsAtty wrote on Jan 9, 2007 7:21 PM:
" It might be that these boys were just acting like normal 21 year old kids. It might be that narrow minded people have to think the worst of these boys. The reason for the juvenile system is so kids can get a fresh start. It doesn't say that the two were acting in any way like they were preparing to commit a violent crime. They were charged with misdemeanors which means the level of crime was not more than commited by so many people the jails couldn't hold them all. How many of you own handguns?? You don't want them taken away forever just because you tried weed in college, I assume? I hope they move away from the area before narrow minded people ruin their lives for them. Get these problems fixed boys and go to an area where people will give you a chance!! "
Nermal wrote on Jan 9, 2007 7:58 PM:
" So, Kidsattny, what you're saying is that after both of these young men spending most of the last decade in jail for murder, it's perfectly normal that the first thing they did when released was run out and buy a gun? If given a second chance at life, is that what any rational person would do? How about the fact that Johnson can't find anyone better to live with than ANOTHER CONVICTED MURDERER? (what does THAT personal ad look like? "Convicted spree killer seeks roomie... knowledge of human anatomy and marksmanship a plus!") Whether Johnson was damaged by his years in jail or was already damaged when he went in, can you say: "ticking time bomb?" "
observer wrote on Jan 9, 2007 8:03 PM:
" but they are not hispanic, so let them be, (nobody did a big deal)as you can see crime does not know legal status and is the same law which applied for legal or illegal people, we have to get better laws.
"
hmmmmmm wrote on Jan 9, 2007 8:16 PM:
" Well I guess if your going to kill someone, do it before you are an adult. I do not know anything about the boy who shot his father, but the boy that was involved in the Jonesboro killings should have been tried as an adult, and he sure shouldnt be out on the streets, whether in Fayetteville or california, or mexico. I do believe some kids that have a record while they are minors should be given a second chance. Shoplifters etc, but come on he killed people in cold blood!!!! I cant believe he can be caught with a firearm and just get a misdameanor because he doesnt have an adult record!!!! He should never be allowed to have guns EVER!!!!!! Maybe he has something to do with some of the unsolved murders here in the Fayetteville area. Has that even been looked into? "
lupe wrote on Jan 9, 2007 8:19 PM:
" check the police report and tell me how many hispanics are involved. "
well.... wrote on Jan 9, 2007 8:40 PM:
" Isn't that a kick in the pants. If these "kids" are so innocent what are they doing driving around with a loaded 9MM pistol? Going deer hunting? I hope none of you are stupid enough to buy it. Which one of these boys was it registered to? "
Concerned Citizen wrote on Jan 9, 2007 9:13 PM:
" I'm sorry, I don't care if they were kids they knew what they were doing. Those four little girls don't get a second chance, I don't think those boys should either. "
reason wrote on Jan 9, 2007 9:52 PM:
" Minors charged with murder should be tried as adults and not have a clean record. It is sound reasoning to give a minor a fresh start rather than having a record for life if he was guilty of a minor crime based on immaturity and mischeiviousness. It makes no sense at all for the crime of murder, which makes the perp an obvious threat to society. Cold blooded murderers once are likely to be cold blooded murderers again, especially if they started as minors. Anyone who thinks they might be normal is living in a fantasy world.
"
IMO wrote on Jan 9, 2007 10:31 PM:
" Isn't it great that Northwest Arkansas is not only a breeding ground for illegal immigrants, it's also a breeding ground for MURDERERS!!! YaY! Next thing you know we will have child molesters and rapist too....O wait...we already do!! This is such a beautiful place to live...if we don't do something fast we are gonna lose it. "
boy wrote on Jan 9, 2007 10:48 PM:
" remeber days ago a 11 year old raped a girl. why do they dont give him another chance. I mean is better to kill same body and get another chance , I am not on favor of this people , but the law give them the chance to do things like that no matter what race you are. All this people play with the system.they should change the law for better an be more harder on All the criminals "
Killer Juvenile Posse wrote on Jan 9, 2007 11:01 PM:
" How did these two notorious juvenile delinquents ever get together? They come from different parts of the state. I wish the reporter would check on this. "
gotta wonder wrote on Jan 9, 2007 11:04 PM:
" The article doesn't say, but I wonder if these two guys met each other in jail. Being from different corners of the state, they probably wouldn't meet up otherwise. When adults are paroled from prison, they're usually told not to associate with other felons. Now we see why. "
wetback wrote on Jan 9, 2007 11:28 PM:
" this time they were not hispanics,somebody have something to say? "
Beware wrote on Jan 10, 2007 12:59 AM:
" It's only a matter of time before these guys go to prison. They are cold blooded killers. We all need to beware of them. "
Bad Fayetteville wrote on Jan 10, 2007 5:19 AM:
" I do believe it is the Police Departments job to protect its community. They should have done thier part to monitor the two better, criminal records or not. In addition to this, I also believe the posession of a firearm and drugs at the same time is a felony, at least for adults over 18. A major thums down to the Fayetteville Police Department for thier negligence. Creatures like these two don't deserve chances they didn't give others. "
Citizen Cain wrote on Jan 10, 2007 5:43 AM:
" Lupe wrote: "check the police report and tell me how many hispanics are involved." Lupe, every murder, rape, assault, robbery or death commited on our highways by illegial alien's. Which number in the tens of thousands would not have happened had these illegals never broken into the United States. It's true, we have enough crime of our own without importing more. "
Jerry Hawkins wrote on Jan 10, 2007 6:17 AM:
" Put them in the military and ship them to Iraq for vacation.Geesh.Is this all you people do is complain? there is an answer. "
Free Wayne wrote on Jan 10, 2007 7:54 AM:
" We let these proven killers go free and arrest poor ole Wayne for nothing. Our Arkansas government officials are really misguided and ignorant. "
Concerned wrote on Jan 10, 2007 8:31 AM:
" Just FYI Judge Finch in Benton County is the one that let Justin Trammel out without any consequences. Hello he chased after and shot his father with a CROSSBOW and threatened his mother. Tell our legislators that we demand changes in our juv laws. "
student wrote on Jan 10, 2007 9:04 AM:
" Both were in Alexander juvenile together and most likley met up there I wonder if they are waiting on the 3rd roommate who gets out this summer. Hmmmm "
starvo wrote on Jan 10, 2007 9:48 AM:
" I hear there were really three shooters at Jonesboro, not just the two they caught. Is that true? "
concerned wrote on Jan 10, 2007 10:09 AM:
" I agree with kidsatty and I am concerned that everyone is "scared" of these kids. Particuarly the kid from Jonesboro, who committed a crime at 13 years old. 13 year olds make mistakes. We need to forgive and pray that he uses his life in a positive way. "
wake up concerned wrote on Jan 10, 2007 10:18 AM:
" You think 13 yr olds don't understand what MURDER IS???????????
Women in this country used to Marry at 13 and raise families... I don't think their age should of 13 committing murder should allow their slate to be wiped clean at 21.
I think PARENTS need to take responsiblity and be charged along with their children for crimes like this... that would wake up some lousy parents. "
Fay PD not Bad wrote on Jan 10, 2007 10:57 AM:
" They knew what they did when they were in Jonesboro, they bragged about it in jail and were released with nothing on their record. Expunged at the age of 21, per our current law system. They can go anywhere, do anything and own any weapon. They are not criminals in the eyes of the courts due to the Juvenile Justice system in the state of AR. One planned and executed a cold-blooded massacre and the other killed hsi father with a crossbow over an argument. No one with a brain thinks they should be running around free to own a gun. It's not just because they had some pot, they murdered innocent people. They deserved to die in the gas chamber. Breath deep boys, hell's fires are waiting for you. However, they do not have to report to anyone, so the city of Fayetteville, including their police department, probably did not even know they were living here. They are as free as you and me. Wayne Fincher on the other hand is going the way of the terrrorist. He needs to come back to reality. "
Whatever wrote on Jan 10, 2007 11:25 AM:
" A 13 year old does make mistakes like not doing their homework or back talking their parents. Going to school and shooting their classmates is a HUGE mistake and they should be locked up forever for what the did. There is no excuse for what they did except for that they are messed up in the head. And he gets pulled over with a gun. Come on people who knows what they will do next. You have to be sick in the head to kill your dad and to go to your school and kill your classmates. Lock them up and throw away the key. Qyit making excused for these kids. "
your trash wrote on Jan 10, 2007 11:40 AM:
" i guess you caucasians do have your own trash to worry about. you have repeat criminals like this, this kids and anyone doing crimeare the ones that should be considered illegal to society "
FREE THE WM3 wrote on Jan 10, 2007 11:49 AM:
" Free the West Memphis 3!!!!! Why didn't these kids out when they turned 21, free and clear?? To "Well....", Arkansas does not register firearms, only a background check to make sure you can legally own it. It's just strange and hard to buy that these two are just real good freinds. It does make you wonder what their main topic of conversation is. I'm sure after this, everyone in the apartment complex will be watching. Closely. "
JUSTIN TRAMMEL wrote on Jan 10, 2007 11:52 AM:
" YOU PEOPLE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME AND JOHNSON!!!! PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES AND LEARN FROM THEM..SOME MISTAKES ARE BIGGER THAN OTHERS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS LIKE IN MY HOUSE OR WITH MY FAMILY. IF YOUR SO CONCERNED WITH US LIVING CLOSE TO YOU, MOVE!!!! "
FREE THE WM3 wrote on Jan 10, 2007 11:53 AM:
" To "your trash", easy on the caucasians having their own trash. Every form of human has trash. We see more in some than others. "
Yeah, but... wrote on Jan 10, 2007 11:53 AM:
" What I want to know is, Where are they right now?? Looking for another handgun no doubt! "
Question wrote on Jan 10, 2007 11:55 AM:
" Mr. Trammel, Why didn't Mr. Johnson have a Concealed Carry Permit for the 9mm semi auto pistol?? Your both of age for it and obviously clean records?? "
Justin Trammell wrote on Jan 10, 2007 11:56 AM:
" And why is it so hard to believe that we are friends? People that go to drug rehabs come out friends, people that go to jail come out friends... and our main topic of conversation is BUSH!!! "
JUSTIN TRAMMELL wrote on Jan 10, 2007 11:58 AM:
" I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE THE COURT DATE IN REFERENCE TO THAT. "
To J. Trammell wrote on Jan 10, 2007 12:01 PM:
" Don't worry we know the answer anyway. You only had the 9mm for self-defense and hunting of small woodland creatures. right? "
JUSTIN TRAMMELL wrote on Jan 10, 2007 12:02 PM:
" YOUR PRETTY FUNNY MR. MAD... DO YOU NOT HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO ON A WEDNESDAY MORNING?? "
Since you asked..... wrote on Jan 10, 2007 12:08 PM:
" This is my form of entertainment for the day. I know you guys can't say anything before court, but I am glad that you have coherent conversations about our nations leader. As for drug rehabers, some make it some don't. They rely on other people to help them when they need it. Is this what it is like with you and Mr.Johnson?? Good luck to you both. Just say no to drugs and legally buy and carry your firearms.
"
Why? wrote on Jan 10, 2007 12:45 PM:
" Justin we just don't understand why you wouldn't pick friends that point you in the right direction. "
to Justin wrote on Jan 10, 2007 1:31 PM:
" Even though we do not know what it was like in your home, it did not give you an excuse to kill your father.
You have a new life, a new beginning why ruin it with drugs and rooming with Mitchell Johnson? If you were on parolle like a conviced felon ( as in my oppinion you should be ) this would be a felony conviction you would be facing and you would be going back to prision. You and Mitchell should take your good luck by having a clean record and do something with your life and be an upstanding citizen wherever you choose to live. You have choices right now that will affect you for the rest of your life. "
Devastated wrote on Jan 10, 2007 1:38 PM:
" "Normal" kids don't kill parents or classmates. The law needs to be changed to keep these monsters locked up for life. Period. "
JUSTIN TRAMMELL wrote on Jan 10, 2007 2:11 PM:
" ALL OF YOU ARE RIGHT IN YOUR OWN OPINIONS, HOWEVER, HAVING WHAT I DO AS MY PAST IS NOT THAT EASY TO MAKE FRIENDS HOW YOU ALL SAY I SHOULD. WOULD ANY OF YOU WANT TO HANG OUT WITH ME, ROOM WITH ME, ECT?? PROBABLY NOT. JOHNSON AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH SIMILAR EXPERIANCE, AND NO, I HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT HAPPEND, BUT IT DID HAPPEN AND I CANNOT CHANGE THAT. "
To Justin wrote on Jan 10, 2007 2:15 PM:
" Justin you stated that I have no idea what it was like living in your house or with your family. My dear I too was abused mentally, physically, and verbally by my mom, dad, and brother.
Darling, I did not kill anyone. I made it a point to behave, get an education and move away from that hell. Many people suffer abuse, and they deal with it, without killing.
"
nonbiasedopinion wrote on Jan 10, 2007 6:09 PM:
" Remember the job of the system is to rehabilitate, not incarcerate. I'd personally rather run into one of them now rather than 30 years after some hard time, which is why I have some sympathy for Trammell. His MURDER could at least be comparable to a crime of passion, heat of the moment type of event, during which even the most sound teenager can make devastatingly dumb decisions. I have ZERO sympathy for Johnson however. To call his crime Cold blooded murder is an total understatement. To coordinate such an event; send the younger fellow to activate the alarm in the school, wait for the panicked innocent people to come flooding out and begin firing on them is a despicable act. That's precalculation of murder on a pretty adult level if you ask me. Guys are put to death for half that ammount of calculating before a crime. Do I even need to mention the number of young black kids who (probably deservedly i'll say) are doing life sentences handed to them at the age of 13, 14, 15 etc. How about people who will be in prison longer than either of them were combined for having about the same ammount of pot Johnson did. Lucky for him the laws are easing up. I won't even go so far as to call these guys monsters or anything like that. There's that benefit of the doubt in every situation. But are they rehabbed? Maybe. Crazier? Time will have to tell. "
To Bad Fayetteville wrote on Jan 10, 2007 6:27 PM:
" Do your homework jackass! In the State of Arkansas, a person must possess a felony amount of drugs prior to being arrested for the felony violation of simultaneous possession of drugs and firearms. In this particular case, Johnson possessed less than 28 grams of marijuana, which constitutes a misdemeanor offense by Arkansas State Statute 5-64-401. Also, you might want to research something called the "Privacy Act". Finally, not that it matters, but a Washington County Deputy made the arrest of Mr. Johnson, not a Fayetteville Police Officer. If police departments enforced laws the way you suggest, taxpayers would be making criminals rich through civil lawsuits. You're an idiot!!! "
Not Surprised wrote on Jan 10, 2007 6:50 PM:
" I can say that Mr. Trammel had the system bend over backwards for him. I cant say what he is doing now, but I do now that a few of my associates have run into him on occasion. Its an eerie feeling to speak to some one that committed patricide, I don’t think he really cared or cares what he did. He is quick to hide behind the law, and for good reason, it sheltered him and gave him a free pass. Just remember that the courts will treat him as if nothing happened almost ten years ago. If you don’t like these laws, call your legislator because it will happen again. No one wants to thin that way, but it’s a potential reality. Do you want to stand in line with someone like that, live next to you, go to school with you, with your children?
"
Angry Parents wrote on Jan 10, 2007 7:26 PM:
" Trammell. the paper said that Mitchell Johnson was unemployed. Are you employed? How do you pay your bills? How do you afford to live in a gated community. We the citizens of Northeast Arkansas do not want either of you living in this part of the state. We would prefer that you did not live in the State period. No.. in our eyes.. you don't deserve a second chance... You KILLED people.. that makes you a murderer. Not our fault that you were a minor... but our children, a mother and a father are not here because of the two of you.
I hope that now since your address is
known, that at least one of the fathers, one of the cousins, one of the Uncles, one of the friends of these poor defenseless little girls will come and visit you worthless punks!! "
starvo wrote on Jan 10, 2007 8:20 PM:
" "According to witnesses, many of the students knew immediately who was responsible for the shooting, and they told their teachers when they reached the safety of the gym, naming Andrew Golden, Mitchell Johnson, and a third shooter, reported to be an older student at a nearby high school."
--"A teacher who was with the children in the school gymnasium immediately after the shooting stated emphatically: The boys hadn’t been arrested at that time. [All the kids in the gym] were crying and they knew [who had done it]. Actually they said it was Mitchell Johnson, another person, and Andrew Golden. They said there was a third person who to this day and [as long as I live], I will believe there was a third person."
--"The possibility of a third shooter was apparently investigated by the police and found to have no merit, but some of those who were in the line of fire still believe that a third shooter, situated on a hill near the elementary school nearby, was involved and eluded capture. Some community members also speculated that a third person, perhaps someone older, had helped the boys plan the event or had discussed it with them. This issue apparently was not part of the investigation."
Yo Trammel,
Did Mitch ever talk about who this third shooter may have been?
"
hmmmmmm wrote on Jan 10, 2007 8:46 PM:
" Mr. Trammell I have a question. After you and Mr johnson spent several years in jail for murder, why on earth would you even want to be around a gun???? If these crimes were committed because you were just young kids not thinking clearly, you should have a major case of Post tramatic stress disorder and should shutter at the sight of a gun, not be carrying a LOADED one on the way to the way to the grocery store! I guess Drugs and loaded weapons are a part of MR Johnson's ministry, are you his disiple? "
Angry Parents wrote on Jan 10, 2007 8:52 PM:
" Wonder Why Mr. Johnson isn't brave enough to make statements here? I just can't believe he is in the State. We were lead to believe that he was 1000 away from Northeast AR, going to college to become a minister... just sick.. plan sick "
To Justin: wrote on Jan 10, 2007 11:59 PM:
" I met you once and you seemed cold. I hope you are warmer now. If this is really you.... STOP READING stuff about yourself. It will drive you crazy. "
To Justin Trammell (From Tyler) wrote on Jan 11, 2007 2:38 AM:
" Hi Justin .
Just a question you say that you dont know anyone else who would room with you. I was wondering who you lived with when you were first released and before Mitchell's release? if this was the case. "
To Justin wrote on Jan 11, 2007 7:52 AM:
" I to believe that perhaps in the heat of the moment you made a mistake and killed your father and you will have to live with that for the rest of your life. For you to say that you and Mitchell Johnson went through similar experiences would mean that in my eyes you committed your murder with forethought and planning.
You have to stop feeling sorry for yourself and realize that there are those out there that are going to think the worst of you because you have shown everyone your worst. If you truly want to make friends and be a good citizen start by moving from Mitchell and work within the community. Work with children that are now in Juvenille hall. Teach by example. But right now the example you are setting is one that will lead you to prision. Think about it. "
Wow wrote on Jan 11, 2007 8:25 AM:
" Trammell, you don't like the press you're getting? You shouldn't have done the crime. If you were an adult when committed, you wouldn't have ever gotten out of prison. You shouldn't be out of prison NOW. You don't deserve a second chance. You deserve nothing but a hollow, shell of a life. With nothing enriching, and nothing to love. Bars or no bars, you both should be prisoners in your own minds. "
Wow wrote on Jan 11, 2007 8:34 AM:
" You are called "crossbow killer" in the title of this article. I don't want you anywhere near my family. Nobody does. "
To Crossbow Killer wrote on Jan 11, 2007 11:00 AM:
" Let me understand... "we" don't know what it was like in your home... doesn't really matter does it? Your revenge against YOUR family was to snuff out innocent little girls who had nothing to do with you, were not related to you or yours, but you still felt it justified to get back at your father by KILLING innocent people.
AND TO KIDSATT and CONCERNED, WHAT'S UP WITH YOUR BLEEDING HEARTS? YOU WANT THESE KILLERS TO HAVE A SECOND CHANCE (AS DOES THE IGNORANT LEGAL SYSTEM), BUT IT APPEARS YOU CARE NOT FOR THE LITTLE GIRLS WHO WERE DENIED ANY CHANCE AT LIFE!
This bullsh*t we call our legal system creates laws for criminals, leaving not only honest people scratching their heads, but our police officers are and have been "handcuffed" but the very legal system that was allegedly designed to protect US!!! "
JUSTIN TRAMMELL wrote on Jan 11, 2007 11:02 AM:
" IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT I SAY ON HERE OR WHAT ANY OF MY EXPLANATIONS ARE, NONE OF YOU WILL THINK ANY DIFFERENT THAN YOU ALREADY DO. WHEN I FIRST GOT OUT I LIVED WITH MY GIRLFRIEND, WHO IS NOW THE MOTHER OF MY CHILD, WE HAVE SINCE PARTED WAYS. AND 'WOW' YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SECOND CHANCES. GOD GAVE EVERYONE A SECOND CHANCE INCLUDING YOU.... "
JUSTIN TRAMMELL wrote on Jan 11, 2007 11:05 AM:
" CROSSBOW GUY....READ UP, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SNUFFING INNOCENT LITTLE GIRLS. DON'T WRITE STUFF ABOUT PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. "
Wow wrote on Jan 11, 2007 11:26 AM:
" Justin, then why are you not using your second chance wisely? Driving around and living with another felon? Why are you using drugs? Do you know what is illegal and what's not? "
NWA Resident wrote on Jan 11, 2007 1:47 PM:
" Justin is right. God gave us all a second chance and also gives all us forgiveness when we ask. Who are we to place judgment? We have no place. We don't know how Justin's homelife was as a child. None of us were locked up for 5+ years of our childhood. None of us made a awful mistake and took the life of our father, which consequently made our mother leave. No one has any idea what it is like to be in Justin's shoes except for him. I thought it was the system's goal to CORRECT people, not damn them for life. Yes, he made a BIG mistake when he was 15 and has made a couple small ones since then but,the smaller mistakes are no different than the mistakes that many, many others his age have made. He is just thrown in the spot light because of his HUGE mistake, which I am sure now he greatly regrets. He isn't some serial killer out to get anyone that looks at him wrong. He is just a lost soul that needs a little guidance. "
Wow wrote on Jan 11, 2007 2:07 PM:
" How did the system correct him? What steps in the right direction has he made since getting out? Drugs, guns, and felons don't mix. He's headed right back to where he was. I'm all for forgiveness, its the Christian thing to do, but how has he earned it? "
NWA Resident wrote on Jan 11, 2007 2:27 PM:
" Do you have to 'earn' it? What did you do to earn it? Absolutely nothing. I never said the system 'corrected' him. I pointed out that supposedly that is their goal. I thought that is why people got put away. Why else would it be called a Correctional Facility?
"He is headed right back to where he was"
Okay, so does that mean that every single person that carries a weapon or uses drugs recreationally is going to murder someone? Before all of this happened Justin was an honor student and on student council. He wasn't carrying weapons and using drugs and he still made the mistake he did. So who is to say that he is "headed right back to where he was"? We can't.
I don't know if I totally agree with him being completely free. I think maybe he should be under supervision with a counselor for help and advice and random drug screens but I don't think he should be locked up forever. He needs help and the right thing to do would be to get it for him. "
Moore wrote on Jan 11, 2007 2:35 PM:
" Justin- you have been given a second chance, and only you can make it work. You have a another life that you are now responsible for, help your baby grow into a wonderful person. YOU can still make something of yourself. I am not here to place judgement on what happened between you and your father. However I do not think the present company you are keeping is going to help you succeed in life. Make your future steps and decisions wisely. You do have something to offer to today's youth. Think about it! "
Wow wrote on Jan 11, 2007 3:34 PM:
" The State gave these boys (now adults) a second chance. We passed an act in Arkansas called "Extended Juvenile Jurisdiction". Basically, it is for juveniles that committed heinous crimes that were not tried as an adult. I think the "expunged record" can be "unexpunged" with ANY criminal behavior after getting out. NWA Resident, I think you are asking us to give him a THIRD chance. "
Tyler (To Justin) wrote on Jan 11, 2007 3:39 PM:
" HI JUSTIN.
I am sorry that you and your girlfriend parted ways, you are right that can happen to anyone. I hope you get to see your child sometimes. In some ways you are right some people will not listen to you and that is a shame. You were young and made a mistake as did Mitchell although his crime was much more severe and cold blooded and he should have been in jail a lot longer. I wish you both the best in the future everyone deserves a second chance and it seems up until now you have done that.
You are right your homelife will never be known to outsiders but if you were abused it means that I can understand your actions but not condone them. "
LISA wrote on Jan 11, 2007 3:39 PM:
" JUSTIN YOU HAD YOUR SECOND CHANCE. THIS IS WHAT YOU DID WITH IT. YOU BEAT YOU WIFE WHILE SHE WAS PREGANT. YOU THREW HER OUT OF THE CAR. YOU SMASHED HER CELL PHONE. SHE HAD TO WALK TO A PAY PHONE AND CALL HER DAD. YOU HAVE NOT CHANGED ANY. I JUST KNOW ONE DAY I WILL HERE YOU KILLED HER AND THE BABY. YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE. I WISH SHE WOULD NEVER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU.SHE IS BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU.THIS IS WHY KNOW ONE IN HER FAMILY LIKES YOU.THEY GAVE YOU A SECOND CHANCE THIS IS WHAT THEY GOT.I THINK YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON. "
JUSTIN TRAMMELL wrote on Jan 11, 2007 4:03 PM:
" WHERE YOU THERE WHEN ANY OF THE THINGS YOU ARE SAYING SUPPOSADLY HAPPEND? NO, LET ME GUESS, YOUR GOING TO SAY YOU KNOW SOMEONE IN THE FAMILY?? PROBABLY NOT, UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED IN SOMEONE ELSES SHOES DONT POINT BLAME. THERE ARE THREE KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS LIFE, WISE PEOPLE, WHO DONT MAKE THE MISTAKES OTHERS DID BECAUSE THEY LEARN FROM THEM, SMART PEOPLE, WHO MAKE MISTAKES AND LEARN A LESSON, THUS TALKING ABOUT ME, AND DUMB PEOPLE WHO DONT LEARN FROM THEM. HAVE YOU READ ONE TIME WHERE I HAVE KILLED OR ATTEMPTED TO KILL ANYONE SINCE THAT DATE? HAVE I BEEN IN THE PAPERS THAT MUCH? I WILL HAVE A JUDGEMENT DAY SOMEDAY WITH GOD, VENGENCE IS HIS, NOT YOUES "
Mistakes wrote on Jan 11, 2007 4:03 PM:
" I'm tired of everyone saying these "kids" made mistakes. Killing people the way these guys did is not making a "MISTAKE". This was cold blooded and they new what they were doing. A mistake is punching the wrong key when your typing, not having a fire alarm flush un-armed people out into gunfire. This is exactly what is wrong with kids today. I think the parents should hang with the children. "
NWA Resident wrote on Jan 11, 2007 4:14 PM:
" I am not saying he needs a 3rd chance. I am just saying we shouldn't shun him. We shouldn't judge him. He has done nothing now to be put away for.
As for him supposedly beating his pregnant girlfriend, that is slightly a different situation than just careless and prohibited driving. Looks like there may be some serious anger issues. "
Wow wrote on Jan 11, 2007 4:29 PM:
" Just careless driving? With a gun and drugs in the vehicle - oops, another "mistake". If Trammell did his heinous crime when he was 18, he'd be in prison for life. Since he was 15, he should've been in prison for life minus three.
How many people can say they committed a "heinous crime" and then go eat at McDonalds 6 years after the fact? "
NWA Resident wrote on Jan 11, 2007 4:38 PM:
" My husband and I both work in Law Enforcement and you'd be surprised at the about of tickets written for Careless/Prohibited Driving. It happens every day. That doesn't mean he was going 150mph and jumping curbs. It could have been something small, something that you have probably done yourself. It isn't anyone's place to judge. He isn't going to come and kill you so, why don't we all just mind our own business? If he was honestly a threat to our lives, he would be behind bars. He wasn't like Johnson. I don't think that he doesn't deserve to be out. He had his crime all throughly planned out. That is sick. Like someone said before Justin's was in the heat of passion and we don't know what happened inside his home as a child. No one needs to place judgment. "
hmmmmm wrote on Jan 11, 2007 4:46 PM:
" I agree, why was he only charged with careless driving, when he was the one operating the automobile that contained drugs and firearms???? "
hmmmmmm wrote on Jan 11, 2007 4:51 PM:
" I agreed with WOW not NWA resident. NWA resident says she is in law enforcement, but doesnt seem to bright. Noone was arguing the point on whether he was going 150 and jumping curbs to get the reckless driving charge, the point was that was ALL he got! He should have gotten charged with possession and firearms because he was operating the auto they were in. I sure hope you arent the law enforcement they send out to my house if I ever am in need! "
Wow wrote on Jan 11, 2007 4:52 PM:
" In October 2002, Trammell was released from custody and placed on probation. In June 2004, Trammell was arrested by Fayetteville police for public intoxication and possession of a fake ID while attempting to enter a bar. His parole was revoked. Released on parole again, he was arrested in September 2004 for domestic abuse on his son's mother. A judge ruled that he had violated his probation, but found that he couldn't be sent to adult prison. Instead, he was sentenced to the Division of Youth Services’ serious-offender program for 18- to 21-year-olds in Dermott. He was released when he turned 21.
So, he's been arrested FOUR times now. And you're saying "mind our own business?" "
Tyler wrote on Jan 11, 2007 4:59 PM:
" The so called crime of public intoxication and possession of a fake ID is not a crime where I live because the drinking age is 18 as it should be in the USA. In my mind that is hardly an offence however the domestic abuse on his son's mother should have resulted in him being sentenced to adult prison.
He is given a second chance though and since being released at 21 hasn't had any problems except now. "
Wow wrote on Jan 11, 2007 5:02 PM:
" ______________________________________
""He is given a second chance though and since being released at 21 hasn't had any problems except now""
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It hasn't even been a year. "
hmmmmmmm wrote on Jan 11, 2007 5:18 PM:
" I didn't think it could get any worse. After doing some research, I found that Johnson was also charged with sexual abuse of a 2 year old back in 1997. so not only is he a murder, he is also a child molester, and he roams the streets of Fayetteville, that is a comforting thought! "
Show Me wrote on Jan 11, 2007 5:46 PM:
" Well, there sure is a lot to be said and everyone is saying it. For those who don't have the facts right, just Google the names and you will get plenty of info. Lupe and Your Trash & others trying to bring up the race card seem to just want air time. Don't try to muddy the waters. A crime is a crime and those kids and that father are just as dead! PLEASE quit calling them kids, that they are not! They are grown men now and seem to be on the exact same path they were on before they went to jail.We have young men 18 and up fighting and far too many dying in Iraq and other foreigh soil for the things Americans hold dear. What does somone who has committed such a horrible crime need with a gun like that? That is not a hunting gun, it is made to kill people, plain and simple. And combine that with drugs, a disaster waiting to happen. These 2 have been given a golden 2nd chance, and they don't seem to have learned much from their time in jail, as we can see what they have done with it. If Kidsatty, Concerned, and NWA resident think these men deserve a third chance and a guiding hand, then let them come live with you!! Share your family and home with them, teach them with your wisdom and tolerance, but you better sleep with one eye open!! "
Show Me wrote on Jan 11, 2007 5:55 PM:
" NWA Resident, As much as I hate this overused phrase.....Well Duh!!! You think he has some anger issues. I think he probably had them when he shot his father thru both lungs with a crossbow! And you think he ought to be driving around town with another murderer, drugs and a gun intended to kill people. Find, then let him drive around your neighborhood till his anger is under control. I certaihly am glad they no long live in the apartments. Cudos to the management who is looking out for their law abiding residents who have taken their first chance and done something positive with it, like working and raising familes. Many who have had worse home lives than Trammell did. "
Show Me wrote on Jan 11, 2007 5:59 PM:
" Sorry folks, but anger makes me type fast and typos are the result. Please excuse them, at least my anger results hurt no one!! "
Show Me wrote on Jan 11, 2007 10:00 PM:
" I just cannot get over the fact that kidsatty thinks it's normal for 21 year old young men to be riding around under the influence and with a loaded 9mm gun. Is it possible that in your world its normal so that you can have more kids to represent in court? In my world, (and I have lived in a lot of states and a couple of foreign countries) that is anything but normal. Why not ask the millions of young men of 21 or so that don't run around with loaded guns while they are loaded. I can not fathom how anyone with a brain anywhere close to normal themselves, could possibly think that is normal. Thinking like that, plus parents who are too lazy to raise their own kids and send them out on the streets for the neighbors to raise are a big part of the problem with today youth. They have no one to answer to for their actions. Wake up America! "
Anonymous wrote on Jan 12, 2007 7:36 PM:
" For all of you who think that MURDERERS deserve a second chance, (regardless of age) then you've never loved someone who was murdered. My sister was killed in the Jonesboro shootings. Her life was taken from her at the age of 12. She gets no second chance. It was over in the blink of an eye. Those of you who feel sorry for these worthless scum make me sick. THEY KILLED PEOPLE!!! I don't care why. I don't care how old they were.It is wrong! Stop defending them! "
confused wrote on Jan 12, 2007 10:15 PM:
" why has this become a racial issue? there is absolutely no reason to bring race into this issue. this is an issue about 2 kids that were given a second chance. but why was johnson given a second chance. he was charged with sexual abuse of a two year old back in 1997. he savagely murdered small animals and brutally killed schoolmates. now he is roaming fayetteville with a cross-bow killer. IF he had registered the gun and not kept it loaded i could understand him having it for his own personal protection. but when you carry an unregistered, loaded gun with you on new years eve...a good outcome is quite unlikely. "
Appleby Resident wrote on Jan 13, 2007 1:08 AM:
" How does Lindsey Management feel about having two convicted murderers living in one of their complexes? Don't they hold their managers to any kind of responsibility for not doing backgroun d checks on residents? "
to appleby resident wrote on Jan 13, 2007 10:17 AM:
" That is the whole key. These men DO NOT have a record. When a background check is run on them they do not have a criminal record because these crimes where committed when they were minors so their record was exsponged when they were released at 21, as though they had never comitted a crime. So Lindsey management probably did run a check and it showed clean. KUDOS to Lindsey Management for taking action as soon as it was public information. "
worried wrote on Jan 13, 2007 11:11 AM:
" I just worry about where they went next.. and innoncent people living around them. "
starvo wrote on Jan 13, 2007 1:25 PM:
" Anonymous,
I am sorry about your sister. Do you feel there is any truth about reports of a third shooter at Jonesboro, as eyewitness reports initially described? (See my post above)
"
bob the builder wrote on Jan 13, 2007 5:47 PM:
" we need these two scumbags off our streets! they should be in prison! rehabilitated my as!!! "
To Starvo wrote on Jan 14, 2007 8:20 AM:
" I am not anonymous who lost her sister. I grew up near Cash, Arkansas and graduated from Valley View, a school a few miles from Westside. The third shooter idea is something has been made popular and spread by conspiracy theorists on the internet. Ballistics tests have shown where the bullets came from: the guns held by Andrew and Mitchell. I saw where you have quoted a teacher from the school but did not list the source of that quote? Did it come from a newspaper or magazine? Or did it come from a conspiracy website with no proper documentation or mention of the teacher's name? "
concerned wrote on Jan 14, 2007 12:00 PM:
" Has anyone heard where these two moved once they were evicted from the Lindsey Apartments. I only pray they don't heard NE or I am afraid that all HELL will break out. I had heard that Mitchell was going to school. Has anyone heard or have the knowledge to find out if he is attending the UA that would explain why he could live in a gated community and be unemployeed at the same time. Still living off the governements.. I bet they got a Release from Prison Grant...to attend school. "
starvo wrote on Jan 14, 2007 1:53 PM:
"
Rest assured that the quotes came from the local news media; unfortunately they are no longer on line. Here is a source that does refer to the same citations I used above.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:Xquh03536MQJ:www.wjh.harvard.edu/~wroth/JonesboroFinalNAScasestudy.pdf+Actually+they+said+it+was+Mitchell+Johnson,+another+person,+and+Andrew+Golden.&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=24
And no, the teacher was never named. "
Only in Arkansas! wrote on Jan 14, 2007 3:30 PM:
" This story really upsets me, the goverment should be hunting these terroist down! "
Wow wrote on Jan 15, 2007 8:34 AM:
" Anyone know where they moved? You have to track these guys like you would a sex offender! "
Calence Ethan wrote on Jan 15, 2007 11:38 PM:
" Having a loaded gun and pot doesn't mean anything by itself. You'd be surprised at how many people keep loaded weapons in their cars. Just because Mitchell was involved in a school shooting years ago doesn't mean he desires to kill people NOW. Having a gun in the car doesn't mean that he wants to kill people. He likes guns, obviously, and probably shoots trees and other things. It's the south, you can't grow up around guns and then lose interest in them easily. He chose to use that interest as a deadly weapon - against other people - at a time when he was not emotionally stable.
Now. We can keep repeating over and over and over how horrible it is, how horrible he is now, and how this just is such an atrocity - we can complain about the laws until this article has 1,000 comments - but how many of you are actually going to get off your butt and do something to make a difference?
If you want the law changed, go do something about it. Get off the computer.
If you're not going to make an attempt to understand why Mitchell did what he did years ago, so you can prevent it in the future - stop complaining. If you want to keep spewing inaccurate bits of information about Mitchell and his friend - that's nice, but you're talking to a bunch of people who only want 2 argue. "
Calence Ethan wrote on Jan 15, 2007 11:44 PM:
" I have two things to say.
1- If you don't know Mitchell or his friend you have no right to judge their intent - they didn't hurt anyone and no one has proven that they had any intention of doing so.
2- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
I was almost in Mitchell's shoes once. Back in 1995. Getting arrested and going through the system was the best thing that ever happened to me. It saved my life. But did it curb my interest in guns? No. But I didn't have the desire to hurt anyone with those guns. But I still had them.
You know what? It takes more energy to constantly trash Mitchell and continuously drag him down than it does to try to lift him up - to figure out what we can do as a society to help him better his life and better the lives of those around him. Maybe if people stopped harassing him and stopped being so negative toward him, he would be able to live a better life.
But all you've done is keep him at the lowest level possible. You don't think he deserves a life? Well then, stop complaining and go live your own life.
-Cal
oddinxasa@gmail.com
"
dude... wrote on Jan 16, 2007 2:06 PM:
" It's not that he deserves life..we all do...EXCEPT when we take anothers. He was given an exception because he was so young. He got a second chance..more than he have his victims!!! You would think he would count his lucky stars but no....he didn't. I do not feel sorry for him now. Maybe back then...not now. He had his chance. I am glad you were able to change your life....he had his chance. "
Calence wrote on Jan 16, 2007 5:49 PM:
" He had his chance? Looks to me like he still has that chance. He won't get much for this violation of the law. That means he is still going to be walking free. So, we can either offer our support and advice, our knowledge, our wisdom to Justin to try to help his friend get through and over his immature behavior (the pot and the loaded weapon in the car) or we can keep complaining and repeat ourselves over and over. His victims don't get a second chance. Of course not - they aren't alive. And he has served his time. The only thing that matters is the NOW.
And now... do you really want to complain about how horrible it is that Mitchell and Justin are out after their crimes? And whine about how unfair the justice system is? Forever? Until your lungs give out from whining? Or... do you want to actually enact a change? Because you complain about all of these things you find unfair yet all I see is your words typed on a screen while your butt is plopped in a chair.
If you want to help Mitchell, help him. Find a way to reach out to him. See if he will talk to you. If you haven't made the effort and you don't plan on it, then I think it's time to find a new hobby. "
PvtStorm wrote on Jan 16, 2007 8:36 PM:
" I find it horrible that most of these people are doing to exact things that motivate most shooters to begin with.
Almost all of us are prone to hatred at some point or another and any time we spew hatred words, we could be contributing to another person's pain. I cannot stand the thought that my words could cause someone to feel so worthless that they thought their only way out was murder.
I realize the shooters themselves are to blame and nobody pulled the trigger (or released the string) for them, but hatred spreads like a plague. Trammel's family was full of hatred and when Justin was full, he unloaded it... on his father. Mitchel was also full of hatred and did the same thing. Does this mean that everyone who feels hatred will kill someone? Of course not. People deal with emotions in different ways.
What concerns me the most is that both of these cases were preventable. Hate motivates people to kill and that's what I see people doing on boards like these and it breaks my heart.
Bravo to Calence Ethan! It's so easy to be an armchair critic and it's difficult to work to make a change.
I hope more people will see that they can make a difference by just thinking before they speak hateful things.
PvtStorm@aol.com
www.columbinepictures.net "
wiseguy wrote on Jan 17, 2007 12:19 AM:
" these guys should be excecuted. they didn't spare the lives of those they killed so why should the federal government spare their lives. and anyways don't serial killers start having outrageous behavior when their young, might as well kill them now before they do any more harm. (cold hearted) they had their chance but they blew it, bring justice to the victims familes by excecuting the killer!!! "
Calence Ethan wrote on Jan 17, 2007 11:25 AM:
" Righteous fury harms only yourself, wise guy. That's not possible, your fantasy of killing them is just as cruel as mitchell's fantasy was before he acted on it. Do yourself a favor, live in the moment called "NOW" because your fantasy isn't going to happen, and it's useless thinking about it.
They didn't blow their chance, they still have their lives and their chance. They're not going to go to jail for this most likely just get a fine and maybe probation. They didn't lose their chance. You are not even paying attention to the thing called reality here, buddy.
You're inducing a circular argument. Your statements are irrelevant and nonsensical and not even practical. When you want to start living in reality and addressing the actual subject of reality, get back to me. "
Calence Ethan wrote on Jan 17, 2007 8:29 PM:
" Also, the only thing that matters is the NOW. He may have killed people in the PAST, but the reality is he is free NOW. We cannot change the past. What has been done is done. The only thing we have control over is the NOW. And I'm asking you, what good does reiterating the past do? All it does is keep you and those who do the same in a continual state of the PAST. Something you cannot change. The only thing you CAN change is the NOW.
RIGHT NOW, you have two options:
1. You can remain in the past and argue with yourself and make no difference in the world... or...
2. You can stop complaining that things didn't go the way you had hoped in the past, and focus on how things currently ARE. You can make an effort to reach out to Mitchell and his friend to help them gain a better awareness and understanding for life (although from Justin's posts I can tell he is already quite intelligent).
The PAST doesn't exist. So why spend your life living there? Seems rather dismal to me.
oddinxasa@gmail.com "
Concerned in Sprigdale wrote on Jan 26, 2007 11:14 PM:
" These two should be locked up... I saw Mitchell's picture on the news tonight and I recognized his face from someone I had brief contact with, Justin also. Once I researched and found out who these 2 were it freaked me out! To think that they were able to get jobs (I know for sure Mitchell had one) and they only way he was able to pass a background check was due to flaws in the system, is aggravating. Oh and by the way Trammel was arrested 1/25 for terroristic threating. You can go to www.co.washington.ar.us/sheriff click on info and then on detetion intake report (last 3 days) You can see his mug and reason for arrest if you want to see proof. He was UNFORTUNATELY released 1/26. Hopefully these 2 will be under tight radar! "
Concerned in Springdale wrote on Jan 26, 2007 11:16 PM:
" I apologize for the grammical errors. I was getting into this. "
Show Me wrote on Jan 27, 2007 8:32 PM:
" I have a short comment for Calence Ethan. Do you know why we study history all thru school? Because if we don't learn about history and how many times the same mistakes have been made, then we are doomed to repeat them. You try to sound so ethical and such spewing the phrases about living in the now, and forgetting the past. Have you given even half a thought to the parents and family of the murder victims and wondered if they can for get the past? Wouldn't it be great if those victims were here to enjoy the Now? There is not one intelligent person out there who can forget the past and just live in the now. Those who do, are the ones that just keep repeating the same terrible mistakes(history) over again. The past is our heritage, and our educator if we pay attention to its lessons. You should put your half baked ideas bake in the oven, the need more time. And all those who talk about doing something productive about the laws, and you can't get it done sitting in from of a computer....you're wrong. I have pulled up my states representatives address and written letters stating the importance of changing laws for underage criminals and the way they are handled before and after release. You can all do the same thing. After all, someone in the "PAST" said, the pen is mightier than the sword! We can make it happen. "
Teacher wrote on Jan 31, 2007 8:47 PM:
" Justin, I knew you a long time ago and know you have a good heart. I have prayed for you many times and will continue to do so. Please take care and make good choices. "
Calence Ethan wrote on Feb 23, 2007 2:30 AM:
" There is a fundamental difference between learning from the past and living in the past. "
Calence Ethan wrote on Feb 23, 2007 2:34 AM:
" By writing letters to the people who are in charge, and voicing your opinion to them, you have actually done something. Should you have chosen to remain in front of your computer to argue on the internet, you'd have accomplished nothing. Which is the point I was making. Arguing here does nothing but waste time.
You're not really reading what I'm saying. No matter, though. "
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Nervous Neighbor wrote on Jan 9, 2007 5:47 PM: