War Protesters Want Troops Home, Want Peace
Last updated Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:20 PM CDT in News
By Trish Mehaffey
The Morning News
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FAYETTEVILLE -- The song "Peace Train" quickly was drowned out Sunday by hundreds of marchers who came to the Fayetteville square chanting, "1, 2, 3, 4, we don't want your oil war."
As they got closer, a woman in the back of a pickup was yelling, "Human rights are under attack. What do we want?"
The marchers replied "Peace!"
She asked, "When?"
"Now!" the marchers answered loudly.
Several marchers held signs reading "Impeach Bush," "Stop the War," "Not one more death, Not one more dollar, Not one more day" and "Imagine Free Speech."
A pink banner, "Women Of The World Say No To War," was displayed by a group of women who a few years ago took off their clothes to make their peace statement on Dickson Street.
The OMNI Center for Peace, Justice & Ecology hosted Sunday's peace march from the Walton Arts Center to the square to mark the fourth anniversary of the Iraq War. The rally included speakers, music and poetry readings promoting peace and admonishing the actions of the current Bush administration.
Melanie Dietzel, co-president of center, said the rally is to remember all those who have died and to let the administration know, "We want it to stop. We want peace in the world." She believes the troops should be brought home as quickly as possible.
Gary Belew said he comes every year to the protest, hoping it will be his last.
"They should bring the troops home. They shouldn't be there. We should pull out now. I think the tide is turning against the administration."
Diana Welch said she understands the troops can't be pulled out all at once, but the process should begin.
"Why do we keep doing this. We align ourselves with people like Saddam, back at one time, and then we take them down. We keep making a mess, creating chaos."
Shawna Thorup, who began crying after one of the speakers read poetry, said she has a 3-year-old son and it breaks her heart knowing "kids are getting killed" over in Iraq every day. "We live in the greatest democracy in the world and if we can't teach the process of how to solve our problems by not slapping each other down, then who can? We have to talk to each other.
"My dad was in the Vietnam War and our generation didn't really have a war," she said. "Shouldn't we be proud of that? Anyone with a son shouldn't want this."
Bradford Bowen said what he thought probably couldn't be printed. He has become cynical about the entire issue. He's been coming to these rallies for four years and feels like nothing can be done. It seemed better when the Democrats took control, but then they didn't have a plan, so "they're just as terrible."
Judith LeBlanc, the keynote speaker, urged the crowd to call their state representatives and senators and push for the end of this war.
She is the national co-chairwoman of the United for Peace and Justice Coalition. She recently returned from the Middle East where she met with Iraqi parliamentarians, and she was in London last week to participate in a large antiwar rally.
Le Blanc said things are changing because as this march is going on, there's a debate going on at Capitol Hill to set a date for bringing the troops home.
In the former Republican-controlled Congress, there was never any discussion of that subject, she said. People in Latin America are even protesting the war -- "he can't even get a break over there," she said smiling.
"Peace and justice. We can't have one without the other," she said.
Ocie Fisher, a local blues singer, closed out the rally with John Lennon's "Imagine" and then got the crowd involved in Edwin Starr's song, "War."
"War ... huh ... good God y'all,
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing ... say it again."
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TomSongs wrote on Mar 11, 2007 8:25 PM:
" BushWhacked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9nYaiC4tN8
Veteran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgw-FJg4U2k
Impeach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT6Zhx0q8xs "
pbc wrote on Mar 11, 2007 8:35 PM:
" I perviewed a few of the pictures which one of the above commenters posted. I'm not surprised - the typical "fight capitalism", "Death to America" commies. This gaggle of nitwits has nothing to do with anti-war - they're anti-America and wish to see us hurt for their perverse pleasure. "
Well said pbc wrote on Mar 11, 2007 9:00 PM:
" That is exactly what most of it is all about. These same group of anti-peace folk would be doing the same thing in 1942. They would complain that war is good for nothing and that Germany didn't invade us...etc. Some of the people there mean well, but most of them are brainwashed...such a pity. "
Peace Out wrote on Mar 11, 2007 9:50 PM:
" I disagree completely with the protestors' message - and I hope they are as thankful for those who have given all of us this luxury as I. "
I have to agree with Peace out and pbc wrote on Mar 11, 2007 10:47 PM:
" They do not speak for me and I for one and truly appreciative of what our men and women have given us over the last 2 hundred plus years of this great nation. "
Gladys Tiffany wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:37 AM:
" Really nice article Ms. Mehaffey. People who grieve about the violence our country has trapped itself in deserve a voice. Sure hope we never have to have another anniversary of this war. "
God Bless America wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:45 AM:
" and the troops she has given in defense of this great land. To my great-great grandfather, to my great-grandfather, to my grandfather and to my father, thank you for your service to this country, I hope I made you proud when I served as well. The peace protestors would spit on those coming home from any war, not matter the reason or the price. Whether you agree or disagree, supoort those boys and girls in uniform! But remember this, Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat, the Taliban are hurt and will hurt more until their ultimate demise, BinLaden is hiding like the coward he is, women and children in Afghanistan are going to school and voting, something the never did before and America is a little bit safer due to all those soldiers! God Bless America!!! "
Support the Troops wrote on Mar 12, 2007 3:22 AM:
" Be careful what you ask for....If the US withdraws from Iraq before they can handle themselves, Iraq will become the biggest terrorist training camp the world has ever seen; with a potential to control billions in oil......Whether you agree with the war or not, this is the reality of the current situation in Iraq "
Here's An Idea wrote on Mar 12, 2007 4:08 AM:
" Lets pull all the troops out now, no more military action and when this country gets attacked and when all those protesters are screaming help us save us then tell them sorry folks, you got your wish, now you are on your own!................ I will tell you with pride that I support those men and women over there and here as well and when I get the chance I always make it a point to shake their hand and thank them for serving...............Now to all those that would blame all the deaths on U.S. Troops, you are dead wrong. The vast majority of those deaths were caused by the terrorists, all the men, women and children that have lost their lives, all by terrorists, even if we pulled out it would still go on, and it was going on before we got there............... Dont like what we are doing over there fine, get your butts over there and do what you think to be better and I will be sure to be at your funeral because you cant make deals with terrorists! "
Protesters wrote on Mar 12, 2007 7:05 AM:
" It makes me wonder if you would protest if they were to come and bomb your famalies home or your workplace, would you still shout PEACE? My son fought and was bombded and lost hearing in one ear and most in another for you and you can hold mean signs up to him. Sure we would all love to see a world where there is no violence and everyone gets along but it isnt going to happen so what do we do, sit down and let the rest of the world run over us???????????????????????????????? Instead of a Peace rally you should be thanking the ones who have served!!! That would profit us a lot more! "
hmmm wrote on Mar 12, 2007 7:48 AM:
" maybe if you would have been at the twin towers with your signs they would have turned the planes around. hmmm guess we will never know "
amazed wrote on Mar 12, 2007 7:52 AM:
" why can't you people understand that opposing this war and supporting the troops are TWO different things. are your minds really that simple? "
che wrote on Mar 12, 2007 7:55 AM:
" Eureka Springs will have peace vigil Tuesday, March 20th at 7:30 pm at Basin Park. The organizer gave me a flyer at the march yesterday which said come early at 6pm to clean Basin Spring Park
Bring your signs, your instruments, your power and your VOICE.
Location: Basin Park, on Spring St. Eureka Springs AR 72632
Contact:Tasha Blehm, riseup27@hotmail.com, ph. 417-818-3533
I noticed also noticed similar events for Jasper, Jonesboro and Little Rock, Arkansas on March 17.
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/calendar.php?caltype=51&bydate=2007-03-09 "
Aunt of a Soldier wrote on Mar 12, 2007 8:00 AM:
" My Nephew is over in Iraq fighting this war. I asked him if he and his other buddies would want Bush to pull out or send aid. His respone;" They need to allow us to use the fighting technology that the US pays for", also that if the US did pull the troops out "All of the lives of the troops that have died, will be in vain". The majority of the troops want to stay and fight in a war they believe in. My nephew was not drafted, he voluteered as did a majority of his fellow troops. He guards the convoys as they move in and around Bagdad. The true Iraq's need the protection against the insurgents who continue to practice their form of ethnic cleansing. We the People of the United States, should show our support for our goverment and our troops. While the two areas can be considered different, that support means the world to our men and women fighting in defense of our freedoms. "
Boby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 8:03 AM:
" Say what you will, but people are not fumigating rooms and exorcising demons when Hugo Chavez pays a visit.
THAT honor is reserved for George Bush.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2007-03-09-priests-bush_N.htm "
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 8:35 AM:
" Response to "Hmmm"
And maybe if our POLICIES had been different, there would have been no planes flying into the towers...
I am NOT a pacifist, but you need to answer the question, "Who are they, and why do they hate us?"
It's NOT because we are 'free,' or because we have wealth, or because we are 'christians.' They hate us because of what we DO in the world. (The MEND guerillas of the Niger Delta are a good example of "Why do they hate us?" A simple review of U.S. policies in Latin America will also reveal why there are protests everywhere Bush shows up on his tour.)
You should seriously ask yourselves why everywhere George Bush goes in the world, there are riots and protests. It's NOT because of envy. That answer may ease your conscience, but it really just reflects an attitide of U.S. arrogance that the world is now reacting against. It's the same arrogance of Columbus; the arrogance that justifies plunder and genocide in the name of 'civilization.'
My website reflects MY own views, and so don't transfer THAT to all the other marchers at yesterday's rally. People have lots of different reasons for opposing the Iraq war.
"
Conchicky wrote on Mar 12, 2007 9:06 AM:
" These people do not speak for me. They sure need to come up with something better than. 1,2,3,4 we don't want your oil war." That is pretty lame. I bet most of them drove there in their SUV or gas guzzling cars, but they don't want an oil war. I bet the banners were made of vinyl. Hypocrites.
How about instead of a protest, they roll up their sleeves and help the needy, build a habitat for humanity home, or clean up the litter on the roads. Oh, yeah most of these people are really that into work. They just like to hear themselves talk. "
Matt wrote on Mar 12, 2007 9:10 AM:
" More protest photos here:
http://overtaken.blogmosis.com/2007/03/protestin_arkie_style.php "
American Citizen wrote on Mar 12, 2007 9:17 AM:
" I would like our troops home too protecting our southern border,but it's not time for them to come home yet.The job is not done,and won't be done until Iran falls.We lose more citizens of this country everyday to crimes commited by illegal aliens than we lose in Iraq.Why aren't these morons protesting that?I can tell you why,their a bunch of liberals that think if you are nice to those people they won't kill you. "
What if they gave a war? wrote on Mar 12, 2007 9:28 AM:
" WAHT IF THEY GAVE A WAR AND NOBODY SHOWED UP. HONOR A VETERAN-STOP WAR!! "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 9:42 AM:
" These people do hate us because we and other Western countries are for freedoms and education that "they hate". All radical Muslims have been killing each other forever. They want us to give them what they want and let them do as they please with people that deserve to know a better life. The simple fact that you can be Anti Bush in this country without a late night wake up from SS type troops should tell you how important wars like this are! The US can be arrogant no doubt but these things were going on thousands of years before the US. I am glad I fought so you can have an opinion and feel safe having it. God Bless our President and Congress and guide them in the right decisions. "
Try to do right wrote on Mar 12, 2007 10:14 AM:
" I would rather we try to do the right thing in this war. Then to just quit! I am proud that you and your like mindset protesters can protest fairly safe in this great country we live in. It is because of wars and the US military making real sacrifices so you can set at home and run your opinons out of your pieholes. You are from the same ilk that think children should not compete because it lowers self esteem. Come on wake up and understand this country and the free world as a whole was bought and is being paid for by wars that re-enforce our Freedoms. Is the US perfect heck no but if you think we are wrong in doing this war go talk to the areas of Iraq that the Liberal media ignores. The areas were wonderful things are happening, schools being built, freedoms they never imagined. They show Baghdad and areas arond it. That would be like saying all of California is like Compton or all of Illinois is like Chicago. Wake up people you make me ill. You are stoned and lost if you think not supporting the war is not the same is not supporting the troops.THE TROOPS ARE THE WAR! It is not a thing it is Men and Women that believe in their country and the Ideals of Freedom and Democracy. I was one and am Proud to stand beside them! "
STP wrote on Mar 12, 2007 11:15 AM:
" I wonder if these "Peace Protesters" ever stopped to think that if we did not have wars to preserve our freedom that their little peace march would have put them all in prison? God Bless America and her Troops! "
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 11:36 AM:
" Well, I may be 'safe,' for now, but my website is under constant surveillance from the government, so it is quite possible that some bureaucrat who knows nothing about me personally will someday make the decision that I must be "the enemy," and then...
An overly simplistic view of Moslems (lumping them into a single category: they are all savages who have been killing each other forever.) also reflects a dismissive type of arrogance that allows us to justify our actions, and it is that arrogance and those actions that have gotten us in the mess we are in.
"yep, they deserve to be 'free,' and by god, we will free them even if we have to turn the Middle East into a glass parking lot!"
I reject such logic. And if you read the 1998 fatwa by Bin Laden, you will discover that he cites specific political grievances that have little to do with any conflict between the West and Islam.
But the Islamic world, just like the so-called Christian West, uses religion as a means to justify their position and actions, but the ACTUAL CAUSES have to do with very political and real-world material issues.
The alleged motive of Columbus, and those who backed him, was to "spread the gospel of Jesus Christ," but the REAL cause and motive had mostly to do with wealth and empire - gold, land, and slaves. You can justify all sorts of things with religion. "
Laugh Out Loud Funny wrote on Mar 12, 2007 11:37 AM:
" I did not know the Circus was in town. Nice photos Matt. The article said hundreds I would say about a hundred but whos counting right? Some probably did not even know what was going on they just saw a crowd and thought hey, why not take a walk. I saw a lot of never picked for a team in school and individual sad stories out there. Saying capitalism doesn't work and seeing the cars they came in was a good bit of humor all on it's own. LOL FUNNY! God Bless them and their misplaced anxiety and bitterness. "
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 11:49 AM:
" To "STP"
Did you ever stop to think that maybe war is not the only road to peace and freedom? Or that SOME wars produce exactly the opposite?
I, too, believe that it is sometimes necessary to fight, but that does not mean that it is ALWAYS a good idea to fight! It is also smart to know WHEN and WHERE to fight. Choose carefully, because lives are on the line.
The Iraq War was a major strategic blunder. It was not the smart way to go about dealing with bin Laden, and it has destabilized the entire Middle East. We have created a great power vacum, and now all sorts of interests are rushing in to fill that vacum, with American troops caught in the crossfire!
Stupid move. The generals should have all resigned when Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld insisted on this idiotic plan. "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:05 PM:
" I did not say all Muslims I said Radical Muslims. Read what is written not what you want to see. I am not STP. I think you are misplaced in your anger or whatever it is that lead you to think this way. Things happen in the world that the FAR FAR LEFT media does not want you to know so they don't show it. There are very few US Troops that consider themselves victims and as a matter of fact most would take offense to you and your comments. I think to you and all your like minded peole should go to a 3rd world country or a Dictators private little empire and see what the rest of the world has to deal with! I am not narrow minded I see a very wide field of few. Bin Laden is a modern day Hitler without a country so he is going everywhere he can to preach his brand of Genocide. There are 2 Korans, one for the West and 1 for the Radical Muslims. You will never see that one. Support the country that gave your freedom. As far as the goverment watching you it sounds like we should be watching you. I still remember Oklahoma City. Yes religion has killed millions but so has looking the other way and doing nothing. That is what the Radical Muslims hope that people of softer disposition in the US will convince the rest to do.
"
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:17 PM:
" I was actually responding to points raised in several posts in my comments, but lumping all Moslems into the category "radical" is exactly what we are doing by our actions.
Do we refer to "radical Christians" when Bush makes a religious reference?
Saddan was a secularist, so how are we going after "radical Moslems" by attacking Iraq's secular regime?
Now, by our actions, we HAVE given the religious radicals an excuse to call us "Crusaders."
"
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:28 PM:
" Also, I have lived and travelled in third world countries during my lifetime.
As to whether U.S. troops consider themselves "victims" is besides the point of whether Iraq was a smart move, or whether it is a just war.
You say, "Support the country that gave your freedom. As far as the goverment watching you it sounds like we should be watching you. I still remember Oklahoma City." And THIS is your idea of freedom? This is the kinda thinking that is disturbing: America, love it or leave it, or else we will be watching you!
And Oklahoma City was not the act of a socialist.
Che Guevara said this: "Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted."
"
So add Crusaders wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:29 PM:
" to the long list of vulgar names the "radical" Fundamental Moslem Murders call us anyways. Not like they thought of us as anything other than the devil. This action that is happening now was bound to happen. If you let a cancer grow, the cancer will not go away on its own, until either the person with cancer dies, or the cancer gets irradicated. I vote for irradication of the cancer! "
Bobby My Friend wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:32 PM:
" The Radicals of all religions need not one reason to be the way they are. They live it, breath it and blow themselves up for it. It is a hatred of all life that does not bend to their will. Sunnis killing Shias and Palistians killing everyone. Yes there are some radical Christians too, no doubt. I see what you are saying but it is an excuse that is used for a Radical doctrine to be used to convince uneducated people to blow themselves up and take as many people as possible with them. You can not reason with that! There are many differences from Bush to Bin Laden's religous references! Faith is not the same as radical fire and venom. Faith is what Bush has and Radicalism or legalistic religion is what Bin Laden and his group is all about. Do what we tell you or we will blow ourselves up and kill inocent women and childrern of our own religion, oh yes we will kill you too! Good grief the US is not perfect and we got a lot of bad apples too but Bin Ladens radical followers are just evil in the deepest since of the word. As serial killers death is the only fit punishments for them. Power vacuums always form after wars like this. Study reconstruction after WW 2. The biggest difference was and is the Radical Element that is in Iraq that was not in post war Europe. "
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:41 PM:
" Also, I have lived and travelled in third world countries during my lifetime.
As to whether U.S. troops consider themselves "victims" is besides the point of whether Iraq was a smart move, or whether it is a just war.
You say, "Support the country that gave your freedom. As far as the goverment watching you it sounds like we should be watching you. I still remember Oklahoma City." And THIS is your idea of freedom? This is the kinda thinking that is disturbing: America, love it or leave it, or else we will be watching you!
And Oklahoma City was not the act of a socialist.
Che Guevara said this: "Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted."
It would also be a mistake to think that because I am a socialist, I do not love my country and wish it harm. "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:48 PM:
" I don't mean Cancun, or some other fun city! I mean Indonesia, Thailand or Syria someplace where fear is tasted every single day of your life! Socialism does not work and it never will. History has proven it time and time again. Mexico is Socailst in every way but name and look at their economy and living conditions. There are Radical Socialist that would gladly blow up a building if they were given a chance so don't kid yourself. Peace is only Peace until it is not. Humans have proven that we can not live in equality because some people are just too dang lazy to work for it so others have to pull their weight. What happens then is hatred and bitterness and then..... Look at History. Most people work to better themselves and thier family, not so their neighors can sit at home and eat twinkies and watch TV all day. I think it is sad that our Government has to monitor it's own citizens but it is a way of life now because of terrorism and radical elements that try to destroy all things that does not follow their doctrine. When your actions infringe on my environment it is no longer about freedom it is about Law so that is why they now have to monitor our citizens. "
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:51 PM:
" Sorry for the duplicate. This thing keeps telling me I don't get the word verification right, but posts it anyway! Oh well.
Response to "Bobby, my friend": Are we not doing the same thing the radical Moslems are when we say, "Accept our values and democracy (and, of course, these corporate deals we have in mind), or we will invade you!"
And that's kinda what we are doing. We are doing it now in regards to Chavez, in spite of the fact that he has been elected by substantial majority three times in a row, in elections all monitoring authorities agree were fair. Apparently, if people choose a socialist path, that makes their votes invalid. Cuba choose the socialist path, and we put a stranglehold on their economy and drove Castro into the arms of the Soviets for protection against invasion and assasination. Then, after fifty years of an economic stranglehold, we say, "See, socialism does not work, and Castro is a dictator!" But we must ask ourselves why Castro reacted as he did, and why the economy has problems. Would it have been the same if we had reacted differently towards the Cuban revolution? Power, of course, has its dangers, regardless of whether you are a capitalist or socialist state. Now we demonize Chavez and threaten Venezuela. And we wonder why Bush is unpopular in Latin America... "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 1:05 PM:
" No we did not do the same thing as the radicals. We are trying to set up a government that gives the people a chance to make decisions on their own. Do you not understand that the very basic element of Socialism is a huge central government? That strangles ecomonies and creates upper class and peasants. The USSR was more socialist than communist it is was one of the most corrupt nations we have ever seen That was what fear is about. Prison for nothing. To compare the US to that is a just insane. I am not saying we are perfect. Chavez is a school yard thug. Time will proof that is true sorry. He is becoming a dictator that knows no law except his opinions. Castro was as corrupt as any "leader" that has ever been over a country. He rules by fear and intimadation as does Chavez as did Stalin. In this country we do have a voice and we can change things. Socialism removes that voice. "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 1:07 PM:
" Bush is unpopular in Latin America because the media and all forms of communication come from government control. The people hear what the government wants them to hear. Wake UP! "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 1:28 PM:
" Why do you not like Capitlism? Can you not go to college and thrive in this capilist country? Are you lazy? Are you mistreated? What makes you think that Socialism is better? In this country I can come from Kingfisher Oklahoma and become the most successful business person I want to be. I can drop out of college and create a software company that operates all over the world. It happens everyday in this country to those who work and dream big. I can immigrate to the US and own my own restaruant chain my opportunities are endless if I work and sacrifice for them. Why do you think so many risk their very lives to come here? Is it because we are so unsuccessful? That has to be it right? Why not stay were I came from and get my government bread and rice and survive. At least I have food.... well at least sometimes. That is Socialism at it's finest. Take away all desire to become more and just live to survive day to day. "
To Laugh out Loud Funny: wrote on Mar 12, 2007 1:45 PM:
" I have plenty of money to purchase a new car. However, I am sick of our attitude that everything is "disposable." I drive a sensible seven-year old car that gets very good gas milage. I have it serviced often to maintain it's effeciency. I plan on driving it until it I absolutely must buy another car. I know too many people who drive fancy cars, yet work overtime to pay for them. Also, how do you know these people were "never picked for a team in school?" You should not judge a person by their appearance or their car. I am an attorney here in Fayetteville, yet I chose to dress down on the weekends because I wear a suit all week. I wear old jeans and t-shirts to work around my house and in my yard. If you saw me dirt covered in my front yard in my old clothes or out at the farmer's market on Saturdays, you couldn't tell what I did for a living. Same as with my car. I would rather save the money and travel than spend it on a hunk of metal and chrome. Next time try a real argument instead of an ad hominem attack. "
oops, spelling error wrote on Mar 12, 2007 1:48 PM:
" That should be "efficiency." What would we do without spellcheck? "
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 1:53 PM:
" Response to "To Bobby"
I suggest everyone listen to these segments from today's Democracy Now program:
http://thephalcon.blogspot.com/2007/03/hugo-chavez-you-gotta-love-him.html
Then perhaps you will begin to understand why Chavez turned against the U.S., or more properly, we forced him into that positon.
As to why I choose socialism over capitalism, that involves the whole debate between the two philosophies, and so it is very dificult to answer in a short post. But the simple explanation is this: I don't believe in "profits over people,or the welfare of the planet itself" and capitalism is morally untenable to me on several points. The historical tendency has been to justify anything as "it's just business."
Likewise, I do not accept that an elite few should control most of the world's wealth, power, and resources.
This is the short answer. "
Lynn wrote on Mar 12, 2007 1:55 PM:
" Read your history. There has always been fighting and wars in this part of the world and always will be - no matter what we do. There comes a point in time when we must say we have done all we can (and then some) and go home. We have enough uses for our troops with the open borders! Also, at the rate we are going, this war could bankrupt our country in a few more years. Then what? "
To laugh out loud funny wrote on Mar 12, 2007 1:58 PM:
" What in the world are you yappin about? What does your rant have anything to do with anything? I drive car that is 12 years old and plan to drive it for another 12 years, I wear normal cloths too...so does that give me the right be a socialist? That makes absolutely no sense. At least Bobby tried to expain something that is respectable and understandable. "
Laugh Out Loud Funny wrote on Mar 12, 2007 1:59 PM:
" I was referring to the new SUVs and other cars that protesters showed up in. Just opposite of what you think. I was referring to the dressed up in costume people and the silly signs. The things people were saying were funny to me. I was not referring to the dressed down in jeans people because that is my weekend attire as well. The actions not the appearance of people lead me to the conclusions that alot of people at this gathering got picked on in school. Next time I will try to be more specific. I am entitled to my opinion the same as the group that showed up to protest. I feel that the protest was an ad hominem attack on the country that we live in and is wrong on many many levels. "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 2:06 PM:
" I respect your opinion however I do not agree with it. We can agree to disagree and if we ever meet I would love to discuss it with you in more detail. You seem intelligent and articulate and I will fight for our rights to have opinions as divergent as they may be. You are the exception to most Socialist I have met and discussed this with. Most tend to be in a small little box and they can't see over the rim. "
do as I say wrote on Mar 12, 2007 2:10 PM:
" I think I will put on all my not so eco freindly clothes ( made ina third world country), leave my big enery sucking home, get into my oversized SUV and go ptotest about all of it. I am not a hypocrite, I am a peace protestor. If I don't get my peaceful way, I will thron things at you and call you names, because you do not agree with me.
"
To the Attorney wrote on Mar 12, 2007 2:21 PM:
" What does you being an attorney have to do with what any one on here was talking about? Your car has nothing to do with anything either what was posted was about irony something I guess you don't understand. Lawyers gotta love em. "
remember wrote on Mar 12, 2007 2:30 PM:
" i do not think that the muslims are regarding this war as means for socialist, capitalist pursuit. Please refer to history in remembering that it is just Christian vs. Muslim. THAT is what the radical muslim is concerned about. The world has been in the midst of religious war since before the dark ages. Oil is not a factor for them. It is purely the fact that we are not muslim and they believe we deserve to die. If peace talks actually worked, don't you think that perhaps people would have talked it out in the last 2000 years. it is submit to muslim religion, or die. simple as that. "
Laugh Out Loud Funny wrote on Mar 12, 2007 2:48 PM:
" I was not even in the discussion with Bobby on this subject matter I was reffering to pictures and my observations. I guess I need to get into acupunture because I sure hit a nerve. "
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 3:29 PM:
" I appreciate everyone's views as well, and respect everyone's right to their opinions and beliefs. That is what democracy is about.
I'm not sure how what kind of cars we drive got into the discussion of the Iraq War, but since oil is involved, there is a relationship.
The American consumer has not had a whole lot of choice when it comes to transportation alternatives, and there are a lot of reasons for that.
A lot of people who now oppose the war are not necessarily all that "green" in their lifestyles. That requires a definite conscious effort on many levels, and some people don't yet understand it all, or do not have the ability to "go totally green" in their choices. This requires a societal, as well as an individual shift.
Whether or not a person lives a green lifestyle, however, has nothing to do with whether there are valid reasons to object to this war. And many of those reasons have nothing to do with oil. "
People like Bobby are 1 nice person to 10 Loons wrote on Mar 12, 2007 3:38 PM:
" I have met dozens upon dozens of "peace" niks, yet I do not think that I met one that could actually hold an intelligent, well thoughout, and respective conversation. I commend Bobby for at least trying to speak honestly and openly. I want the Attorney to know that he/she is welcomed to speak here, sorry if I didn't understand your first post, sometimes we all get a bit edgy when it comes to things of such magnitude. "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 3:46 PM:
" You do understand thay Democracy is the Anti Socialism right? They mix like oil and water. I agree that we need to get off of our use off fossil fuels but as you stated above it is so much a part of our lives I don't see it changing any time soon. The majority of people will not give up the convient lifestyle that they have. That includes the peace protestors. I do not like hypocrites and most are. They oppose everything regardless of its validity. They just protest for protestings sake and they make me ill. I am proud to be a US Citizen and love this country and hope that we do find an alternate fuel source that is viable so we can drop the oil countries out of our minds. We made them wealthy and they are paying us back for it. I am a very strong believer in our system of government however I feel that whatever option a country chooses should be up to them. They should decide what is best for them. But on the other hand we should not stand by and watch why evil runs helter skelter over the world. Hussein was evil and they world knows that. "
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 4:03 PM:
" Before the invasion of Iraq, the main terrorist groups that had attacked U.S. interests in the world, and the U.S. proper, were Al Qaeda and Hezbollah, neither of which held any power or influence in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. The Sunnis of Iraq under Saddam were given power and privilege, and that was in a secularist regime, so they had little use for Al Qaeda. Now, however, we have thrown the Sunnis out of power, invaded their country, and pushed them into the arms of
Al Qaeda. In addition, we have removed the Iraqi block to the expansion of Iranian and Shiite power in the region, and so now the Shiites of Iraq want to team up with the Iranians and Hezbollah against both the U.S. and the Sunnis! Way to go. That's a real bright move on our part. We have destablized the entire region, Al Qaeda and Hezbollah are now growing in influence and recruits because of our invasion of Moslem land, and we have set the stage for a major MidEast War.
And Al Qaeda had already "followed us here" BEFORE the invasion, and Hezbollah was attacking us BEFORE the Iraq invasion. Yet neither were located in Iraq. Thanks to us, that has now changed.
"
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 4:18 PM:
" Then, we surround Iran on three borders with U.S. forces building bases, plus Iran have four other nuclear powers in the region. In addition, we now have three carrier battle groups in the Gulf, and maybe a fourth on the way. And the world's superpower, with over 6,000 nuclear warheads, and all sorts of WMD, tells the Iranians, "You are not allowed to have a bomb."
If we claim that we need nuclear weapons to defend ourselves, and Israel claims that, along with India, Pakistan, and Russia, then why do we wonder if the Iranians use the same argument?
And it is the U.S. that has invaded Iran's neighbors. Iran did not invade anyone. Then we label them as part of an "axis of evil," and then we wonder why the Iranian regime is nervous. If another country came to the U.S. and said "You cannot have this or that weapon," what would be OUR response? It would not only be seen as an effort to limit our ability to defend ourselves, it would be viewed as an offense against our sovereignty and dignity! So we push the Iranian people into supporting a government that was not all that popular until Bush opened his big mouth. Iran is no match for the U.S., and they know it. They see the bomb as giving them a deterrent and as making them equal to the other players in the region. "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 4:35 PM:
" Yes, on paper that what it would seem. Many things happen that we as the public are not privy to. Iraq as a country was supporting terrorism. They supplied training, money and a temporary safe haven as to terrorists. Hussein was an evil man that killed people for reasons only he or sadistic followers knew why. He was a destabilizer in the region. It took many years to rebuild Europe after WW 2 so please don't forget that. There are many good things happening over there that the media will not show because it is not bloody. The majority of the problems are Sunni and Shia and yes it must be dealt with. We have made mistakes over there but giving Iraq back to the Iraqi people and removing Hussein will show the best thing that we could have done. Iran is saber rattling they do not want a war in their country any more than we want to invade them. It would cost everyone way too much. "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 4:49 PM:
" It is not just they US that does not want Iran to have nukes. The entire region as well as United Nations wants to avoid it. Anytime France, Germany and the US agree there has to be something to it. China and Russia don't want them to have them either. The primary reason is because of RADICAL factions and lack of controls. We due appear to be world bullies but please expand your information gathering to more sources then ones that agree with your way of thinking. You can learn something from everyone even people you disagree with. "
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 5:03 PM:
" And we KNEW all these bad things about Saddam back in the 80's when he was "our guy" and we were selling him anthrax and chemicals to fight the Iranians. And we ignored what he did to the Kurds, and gave him even more money and weapons. Oh what a tangled web we weave. Like George Carlin says in one of his routines, "How many wiskey sours would you have to have to be sitting in a bar with Saddam Hussein, and say, 'Oh, you're a snuggy bear, I think I'll give you anthrax!'"
Well, no one will ever know how many died under Saddam, but the current war is right up there as a major humanitarian disaster. There are unknown tens of thousands dead, heaven knows how many wounded, and there are over 2 million Iraqi refugees in Syria, and almost another million in Jordan. Others have fled to Turkey and even Iran, and some to the U.S. We have created a bigger mess than what we were trying to allegedly solve. My point being that there was a better way to go about it. Saddam was contained, he wasn't going anywhere. True, Saddam was giving money to Palestinian suicide bomber's families, but so are our 'good friends' the Saudis (not to mention the 9-11 guys), and every other Arab country supporting actions against Israel. Are we gonna invade them all now? "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 5:20 PM:
" Yes there is lots of work to do in that part of the world. The biggest mistakes every made by the Western world have been made over there. We gave them wealth and status in the world. They killed each other over goats, wives and religion. The western world has created a monster but that does not mean we can now just ignore what is going on over there. Saddam was not contained he was at the throat of his neighbors on a grand scale. He already showed his disregard for the UN and was getting bolder by the day. "
Craig wrote on Mar 12, 2007 6:22 PM:
" These peace demonstrators DO support our troops: that's why they want to bring them home.
These activists DO love their country: that's why they want us out of this needless and immoral war.
Those posting here who are accusing the people who attended this demonstration of anti-American sentiment are just as short sighted as they accuse peace activists of being. "
Supporting Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 6:37 PM:
" Here's the main point. The Bush Administration took a global war against the terrorists who attacked us on Sept 11 and turned it into an attempt to re-constitute the Roman Empire. If you don't believe me, go to the web site of the PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY and read their statement of purpose from 1998 and their list of signers.
They played BAIT AND SWITCH with us all -- we all wanted to fight back against the 9/11 attack and so they fooled a lot of us (40%??) into thinking Saddam Hussein had something to do with it.
RESULT -- we now have a big permanent base in Iraq and are getting ready to attack Iran --- The big prize (this is how these folks think!) is to encircle China by choking off their access to oil. (Bases in Uzbekistan, etc.)
NOW FOLKS -- all you supporters of Bush who want to say nasty things about peace demonstrators ---
Are you ready to have your kids and grandkids fight to maintain 300 military bases overseas and a lifeline of oil flowing to us (and away from China and everyone else) for as many decades we have left till the oil is truly all gone from the ground?
Are we prepared to be the next ROME??
IF NOT -- better protest!! "
Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 7:20 PM:
" Quote: "It is not just they US that does not want Iran to have nukes. The entire region as well as United Nations wants to avoid it. Anytime France, Germany and the US agree there has to be something to it...
MY RESPONSE: And do not all these same nations themselves have nuclear weapons? As for "radical factions," who is it that has troops all over the planet, and has surrounded Iran?
In nature, there are many animals that, while not all that formidable in defending themselves, use various devices of bluff and bluster to frighten off predators. For example, they may puff themselves up to appear bigger than they actually are, or put on some outrageous display designed to make the predator think, "If you mess with me, you're gonna pay!" A good portion of the time, the bluff works, and the predator goes in search of easier prey.
The Arab mentality is given to over-dramatize perceived offenses to their dignity, and they are given to what may appear to us Westerners as outrageous displays of one sort or another.
Ahmadinejad is just putting on a lot of bluff and bluster, because we have backed them into a corner and are threatening, not to mention insulting their sovereign dignity.
We do exactly the same thing, just more subtly.
"
Peace protesters be careful wrote on Mar 12, 2007 7:26 PM:
" 180 million people were murdered by their own government in the last century not counting wars and abortions. They were burned alive, drowned, frozen, shot, buried alive, stabbed, starved, hung,impaled, dragged to death to name a few of the many ways governments kill their own peoples.Government and their banker wars must go. Check out death by government "
Stop sending our troops to defend freedom for stupid people wrote on Mar 12, 2007 7:38 PM:
" Stupid people don't deserve support. "
Words of wisdom wrote on Mar 12, 2007 7:51 PM:
" "Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good." ~ H.L. Mencken "
So if Christianity made a LOT of men good wrote on Mar 12, 2007 8:42 PM:
" Then giving them a vote has made a LOT of men wise and free, just not more than what Christianity made. C > Votes "
To Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 9:43 PM:
" France and Germany do not have nukes. China and Russia do. Why do you stay in the USA if you are so ashamed of it? "
Hey Bobby wrote on Mar 12, 2007 9:45 PM:
" Why not move to Argentina or Cuba? They would not welcome you with open arms. "
Robert wrote on Mar 12, 2007 10:56 PM:
" It is interesting that some of the people posting here who claim to represent American ideals such as free speech are quick to suggest that those who disagree with them should leave the country. Such anti-free speech attitudes don't sound very American to me. "
telling someone to leave the country wrote on Mar 12, 2007 11:15 PM:
" is not suppressing their voice. It is telling them that if you hate being here so dang much, then by all means go somewhere where your ability to live would fit your philosophical beliefs. So please stop that broken record. "
stacymon wrote on Mar 12, 2007 11:33 PM:
" it wasnt that long ago that donald rumsfield was over there shaking hands with saddam when he was our boy back in the 80s... and lets just remember that we trained bin laden and his crew to fight the soviets in afganistan... its called "blowback" the unintended consequences off our foreign policy decisions....I was at that rally yesterday and I'm not against all war!! The world was with us when we went into afghanistan... I think that was justified. We should have stayed there finished the job and rebuilt that country like we said we were going to do . "
disgusted wrote on Mar 13, 2007 12:16 AM:
" "Women of the world who say no to war", Maybe some of you should move to the middle east where women are treated worse than dogs. They are stoned and beaten and murdered at the hands of their husbands for being alone in public without a male relative. When a woman is raped over there it is considered her fault. No man will have her afterwards, she is a social outcast. Maybe some of the women in the middle east are praying that we don't leave. I guess we'll never know because of their repression. There is no way for them to speak out. Can you imagine being forced to cover yourself from head to toe in the middle of summer? Imagine wearing long dresses and scarves that cover your head and face in 110 degrees, better yet move over there and live like they have to live for 1 year. You would never survive. "
Bobby wrote on Mar 13, 2007 3:53 AM:
" America, Love It or Leave It! My government, right or wrong! Right???
I've heard it all before. Dissent equals disloyalty. Very American, huh? Funny, sounds a lot like the Nuremburg defense to me. I wonder if some of these self-righteous pontificators were ever even in the military... I enlisted during Vietnam. How about you???
There are some really warped ideas of patriotism here, but I guess that is required to ease the conscience.
I will let Dr. Martin Luther King have the final say for me. I suggest everyone listen carefully to his words:
http://thephalcon.blogspot.com/2007/03/liars-war.html "
Bob wrote on Mar 13, 2007 6:10 AM:
" Freedom is NOT free,the only people that believe that are foolish enough to tuck there liberal heads inside there shell and think it will be fine and the world is a place just full of wonderful non-aggressive nations.When they come and blow up or set off a dirty bomb in there town just watch them be the FIRST to scream.WAKE UP AMERICA. "
Where is John Daly wrote on Mar 13, 2007 9:58 AM:
" "Freedom is not Free" thats the most lame saying of all time. Dont worry Northwest Arkansas is not on the terrorist hot list to bomb. You have plenty of time to prepare your fall-out shelter, get a haircut, maybe a shave, find a tooth brush and pretend that fear is a tool worth using on your own people.
"
Manyhats wrote on Mar 13, 2007 10:56 AM:
" Just a few points here folks: First of all, socialism is not the opposite of democracy. There are plenty of countries where socialism is being practiced in which it does work. Sweden is a perfect example. Also, the vast majority of people in Venezuela absolutely love what Hugo Chavez is doing in their country. He is taking some of the money out of the hands of greedy multi-nationals and using it to give poor people health care and better educations. Venezuelan people are benefiting from the saled of their resources rather than being exploited. Why do you think that Chavez' economic model is gaining popularity throughout much of Latin America? The answer is that it's working. Of course, he is actually overseeing an economic system which is a mix between capitalism and socialism. He understands it might be better to integrate the positive aspects of both and to get rid of the negative in the same way. He's not like so many here whose mantra is "CAPITALISM GOOD! SOCIALISM BAD! In most cases, socialism was never given a chance to work because the United States either helped overthrow any country which tried to practice it, supported right-wing death squards and insurgents, or attacked the country outright. That's history folks. "
earthwisdom wrote on Mar 13, 2007 10:59 AM:
" we were not attacked by iraq.we had saddam boxed in with no fly zones.That could have been enough.But, due to many americans desire for revenge,they were easily talked into an attack.There was a good reason why 9/11 happened,there are not many who have researched this. It has to do with our past meddling in muslim countries.We are too caught up in thinking we are the best,and spreading our way (imperialism)Its about time we consider ourselves equal to others.At this time we would be lucky to deserve even that.We are now the laughing stock due to our actions.We tell our children to "use your words",yet look at us overlook this simple message.Our first words to those who dissagree with us are "better look out for our bombs". "
wow this thread has been hijacked wrote on Mar 13, 2007 11:33 AM:
" hard to argue with the insane, cause well the arguements are just that insane. If anyone has any questions about freedom costing anything, ask the Brits and the Pols, for they once believed that fear is a just a tool NOT worth using on your own people. " "
Russ wrote on Mar 13, 2007 4:47 PM:
" Why is it that those on this thread with sensible, well-reasoned arguments write well, while their opponents resort to name-calling and jingoism and have difficulty putting sentences together? "
disgusted wrote on Mar 13, 2007 5:35 PM:
" I'm curious to know what you people are going to do when you and your liberal friends finally bring this country down? That seems to be what you want! And if you get it, guess what? You won't be allowed to protest. If you talk bad about your "Leader" you will be thrown in jail or shot. Then who will you cry to? There won't be a Constitution with expensive lawyers to get you out of prison, no soldiers to fight for your freedom. Maybe thats what it will take to make some of you people understand. The Muslims hate us; to them we are the infidel, the great satan. They have been brainwashing their children for decades to believe this. That's how they get them to commit suicide and blow up innocent civilians. It's fight or die. They don't understand anything else. "
Good God, Y'all wrote on Mar 13, 2007 6:24 PM:
" Laws! Huh! (Good God, Y'all!) What Are They Good For? Absolutely Nothing
"
Government loves you wrote on Mar 13, 2007 6:37 PM:
" Wars,abortions, DRUG WARS are for your own good. Your gods in the District of criminals (DC) knows best. "
Jay L;eno sezs wrote on Mar 13, 2007 6:41 PM:
" Since we do not use our constitution anymore we can let the iraqee people have it "
Manyhats wrote on Mar 13, 2007 8:45 PM:
" Disgusted said: ""I'm curious to know what you people are going to do when you and your liberal friends finally bring this country down?" My question is, why can't many of you argue intelligently without accusing good people of trying to bring the country down? Sheesh! I think it was John Adams, one of the founders of this country, who said that our republic would not be able to endure under a situation of continuous war; yet, this is just what Bush/Cheney promise us. I know it's difficult for Americans to believe that their own government and news media would betray them, but that's exactly what's happening here. The people who have led us into this war are war profiteers. They are closely linked to interests that are making milions on the Iraqi Bloodbath. Don't believe me? Get a copy of the documentary entitled "Iraq for Sale: The War Profiteers." Rather than accusing us of tearing down the country, why don't you PROVE US WRONG. Read the Project for a New American Century document and see for yourself how it calls for a new Pearl Harbor. See who its authors are. Read about how the U.S. gave Saddam the very chemical weapons which we later condemned him for using. Don't believe it? PROVE US WRONG! Name calling doesn't count. You may be shocked at what you learn. "
John Adams never had to fight the Extreme Fundamentel Moslums wrote on Mar 13, 2007 11:25 PM:
" John Adams never had to take a major fight to someone else's backyard. If John Adams and his band of men had to fight the Brits in England instead of in the colonies, I wonder what John Adams would say? I wonder if John Adams had todays media if they ever would have declared themselves free from the Brits? Yes, there will always be those that get rich off of war. There will always be those that capitalize on the unfortunate situations that occur all around this globe. The Iraq War is over, it has been over for quite awhile. The attempt to build a self-sustaining government for the people of Iraq is the battle now. Throw in there those that declared war against us many many years ago and you have a full blown conflict. America has made A LOT of mistakes. Part of the problem of having a change of leadership every few years, is that consistancy and intent for the well-being of our nation, gets set aside in order to preserve the holy vote. We are far from perfect, but instead of ranting childish 1,2,3,4 Paris Hilton is a dirty spoiled ....., lets work together and find a common ground and work towards making this the best dang Nation to have ever graced this big blue ball. For every reason many of you have against this war...I could come up with 2 reasons for. "
Manyhats wrote on Mar 14, 2007 10:12 AM:
" Perhaps John Adams never had to fight the British on their soil but he and his contemporaries were acutely aware of what war had done to Europe. That's why George Washington warned us to stay out of foreign affairs. As for Iraq, Bush's intention was never to set up a democracy there. My God! How many times has his rationale for invading changed over the past four years? On 9/11 we were attacked by a radical criminal element (at least if you believe the government's official story). At that time we had the support of the entire world. Bush/Cheney used that opportunity to begin their program of pre-emptive warfare and domination of the entire world as stated in the Project For The New American Century's document which was publish by the neocons during the Clinton Administration. Since that time we have become the most hated nation on Earth due to our unjust policies, torture, bullying, etc. Recently a report was released internationally that terrorism has increased by 600 percent since the U.S. invaded Iraq. Good job Mr. President. If we want to make our country better again and re-gain respect in the world, we first need to remove these criminals who reside in the White House from office as soon as is humanly possible. "
creating a viable government wrote on Mar 14, 2007 11:24 AM:
" is the subset of what happens when you are forced to use force in order to remove a government that was playing a shell game of potentially grave consequences. All this could have been resolved if Sadaam would have allowed unfettered inspections into his country. It WASN'T about them HAVING wmd, it was about NOT KNOWING whether they did or didn't and after 9/11 we couldn't afford to risk that chance. And with that military action (don't forget that most of the world was in bed with Iraq for its oil) came the responsibility to stay as long as it takes to get those people a solid sustaining nation. If you think that America is trying to claim it as another state or that this is another conquest amongst others, then I must respectively disagree. News flash...we were the most hated country on Earth before Bush took office...those new terrorists were going to be terrorist anyways. Bush and gang was sick and tired of doing the Clintonian version of "I'll wait for the next Prez to do something". The Europeans of Adam's day messed up not because of prolonged wars so to say, it was the "I don't know when to stop getting fatter", whereas America was so lucky that they had mostly unpopulated borders. Those criminals that you say reside in the White House could actually be doing one of the greatest peace missions in the history of the world. "
Truth wrote on Mar 14, 2007 12:20 PM:
" It's better to send our boys and girls over to a dry and desert land to die then to let the enemy come to America and attack the rest of us. Shame on us. Such cowards we are. I would rather fight along side my children then to hide behind them. Such selfishness. Congressman Ron Paul's website. www.house.gov/paul Texas Straight Talk. Hypocrisy in the Middle East. READ IT. HE IS A CONSERVATIVE!!! If you lie to the masses long enough they will believe the lie. You are being lied to.
Also there is a good article at www.independentamericans.org called "The Symbolism Hidden Within the Wizard of OZ". The author was brilliant when he wrote the Wizard of OZ. It was a message to the American People at the turn of the century. If all you do is argue amongst yourselves and remain devided then America will fall. Take a gander at the article and see if your eyes will be open. Have a nice day. "
Sad times wrote on Mar 14, 2007 12:33 PM:
" When Bush said Saddam wouldn't let inspectors in, they were on the ground in Iraq doing their job. They had to be pulled out AFTER the US decided to use force. Clinton did more to try to capture Bin Laden than Bush has ever done. This administration lied us into a war of choice so their cronies could make billions war profiteering. To say that war is peace is Orwellian and disturbing. "
Bush was also responsible wrote on Mar 14, 2007 12:57 PM:
" For the sinking of the Titanic, the Great Depression, Godzilla, Tiny Tim, Ewoks, Disco, the death of Christ, the break up of the Beatles, stupid beer commercials, Don King's Hair, Donald Trump's lack of hair, Rubiks cube, Rocky XXV, oh and responsible for that Evil Company WalMart too. "
Sad times wrote on Mar 14, 2007 1:06 PM:
" It would be refreshing to see Bush to take responsibility for anything his administration has done. "
disgusted wrote on Mar 14, 2007 7:54 PM:
" In 1993 President Bill Clinton and Secrttary of State Warren Christopher forced the Israeli's to release Mohammad Atta and his buddies as part of the Oslo Agreement. In case you have FORGOTTEN he was one of the terrorists who flew a plane into the trade center on September 11th 2001. "
Sad times is disgusted too wrote on Mar 14, 2007 8:13 PM:
" "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02) "
disgusted wrote on Mar 14, 2007 8:17 PM:
" In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was assasinated, in 1972 at the Munich Olympics, Israeli athelets were kidnapped and musrdered, in 1979 the U.S. Embassy in Iran was taken over, In 1980's Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon, In 1983 U.S. Marine Barracks in Beirut were blown up, In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American in a wheelchair was thrown overboard, in 1985 TWA Flight 847 was hijacked in Athens, In 1988 Pan Am Flight 103 was Bombed, In 1993 World Trade Center was bombed for the first time, in 1998 the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed. All by Muslim Male Extremists. This is over 6 or 7 presidents most of them Democrats. But I guess we can blame the whole problem on Bush, instead of the Muslim Male Extremists that keep blowing us up. "
disgusted wrote on Mar 14, 2007 8:22 PM:
" Sorry about the bad spelling. If you really want to blame Bush for something that is all his fault, go for the horrible Illegal Alien problem that we now have, and his open border policy. On that I will agree with you. I will vote for ANYONE that will close our borders and send them home. "
Nah...not Bush's fault.... wrote on Mar 14, 2007 8:45 PM:
" August 6, 2001, President's Daily Briefing Memo
titled Bin Laden Determined To Strike in U.S. "
disgusted wrote on Mar 14, 2007 8:56 PM:
" Clinton received the same information for at least 2 years of his presidency. Bush was only in office for 6 months when they blew up WTC. I guess it's fair to blame him for everything that happened of the past 40 years. Grow up! "
Sad times is disgusted too wrote on Mar 14, 2007 9:04 PM:
" When are the neo-cons going to stop blaming Clinton for their blunders?? The first WTC bombing happened February 26, 1993. How many times did Clinton or the Dems blame Bush Sr.? Not even once. The difference between Bush and Clinton is Clinton at least tried to catch Bin Laden. Bush is a useless tool of the multi-national corporations. "
supportthetroops wrote on Mar 14, 2007 10:16 PM:
" Supporting the troops by supporting the war and telling opponents of the war that they are not supporting the troops when they simply ask to bring them home now. Our troops are being made to fight an unjust war that has destroyed a whole country, thanks to Washington's arrogant moronic blundering. The real question is who really supports the troops? "
Chickenhawk wrote on Mar 14, 2007 11:24 PM:
" I support the troops by driving my SUV with my support the troops magnet. Also, I watch a lot of sports to stay distracted from the alarming death toll in Iraq. Whatever Bush says is OK with me. He is a good christian. I don't mind if he raids the treasury and drives our childen and grandchildren into debt with China. Amen. "
Barbie Croteau wrote on Mar 15, 2007 1:13 PM:
" this is a pretty good story the reason i chose to read this is because im doing a history day project on bush and how he needs to bring our troops home "
Disgusted wrote on Mar 18, 2007 9:28 AM:
" All I have to say about this is...Clinton tried the peaceful approach and look where that got us. 9/11, that's where. If he had taken the bull by the horns like Bush has done, that would not have occurred. We all would love to see peace, but until all nations want the same thing, that is not going to happen. So instead of complaining, standing on street corners with your stupid signs protesting war, you should be thanking him instead of protesting against him. Has another 9/11 occurred since our attack on Iraq? I'm beginning to think you protestors are anti-American and want to see us go down. "
Sad times wrote on Mar 18, 2007 10:02 PM:
" There is statistically seven times more terrorism in the world today that pre 9/11. Bush and his minions have done next to nothing about real terrorism, and instead focused on emptying the federal coffers funding war profiteers. When he had the chance to catch Bin Laden in Tora Bora he failed to commit enough troops, ruining the best chance anyone has had to catch him. But catching Bin Laden is not his priority. Enriching the multi-national corporations is his only priority. That and shredding the Constitution and jailing as many Americans as possible. Anyone who claims to love this country should reject Bush's anti-constitutional policies, his war for oil, and his dismal social agenda. If this country goes down, it will be Bush and his supporters who drag it down. "
Burgess wrote on Mar 21, 2007 8:47 PM:
" to Disgusted: Actually Clinton didn't "try the peaceful approach." Clinton "took the bull by the horns" and authorized firing cruise missiles into the Al Queda training camps of Afghanistan. This tends to get overlooked, but it certainly was headline news the day after. Not surpisingly, Al Queda's retaliation came via attacks on the Pentagon &WTC. But it should be noted it was a reprisal instigated by a Democrat not a Republican. And why are US forces in Iraq? Because it's flat and easy to control--unlike Afghanistan. It's just my opinion, but I think the war in Iraq was done as a diversion from an unwinnable war in the mountains, perhaps with the hope that Al Queda might be lured into committing all its resources to an insurrection in Iraq. But al Queda is just a minor force in the Iraqi insurrection. "
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Bobby wrote on Mar 11, 2007 7:56 PM: