Government In Secret E-Mail Shows Tontitown Officials Discuss City Business In Private Some Actions May Violate State Law, Experts Say

Last updated Saturday, April 7, 2007 10:32 PM CDT in News

By Bob Caudle
The Morning News

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    TONTITOWN -- Elected officials in Tontitown have let their fingers do the talking since they took office in January, using e-mail to discuss city business and reach conclusions before and between council meetings rather than settling issues in public sessions.

    The Morning News filed a Freedom of Information Act request March 13 for e-mail correspondence, since Jan. 1, between City Council members, the mayor, the city attorney, and the recorder/treasurer.

    Tontitown officials responded with three boxes containing more than 6,000 e-mail and documents. While most of the e-mail is innocuous, several indicate city officials conducted public business behind closed doors or via e-mail in violation of the state Freedom Of Information Act.

    The e-mail, in some cases, was forwarded from alderman to alderman, each adding comments.

    The e-mail inquiry also led to the discovery of a possible illegal meeting at city hall.

    On the morning of Jan. 4, Tracy Goddard, the Tontitown recorder/treasurer, called council members Art Penzo and Sunny Hinshaw to city hall to intervene in a squabble between Mayor Joe Edgmon and Shane Harrison, the city building inspector.

    They were arguing over office space. Edgmon ordered Harrison to move his building inspection office from city hall to the police department. Edgmon wanted to convert the space into the mayor's office. Over the next two hours, Penzo and Hinshaw, along with the mayor and other city officials, discussed a variety of city business.

    Unbeknownst to the group, Harrison taped the meeting. He later turned the tape over to the city recorder/treasurer.

    According to the tape, city officials discussed:

    * A resolution to change the 2007 budget.

    * Disbanding the city's Water and Sewer Commission and replacing it with a Water and Sewer Committee that would be under city council control.

    * Bringing in USI Consulting Engineers to answer to the council about water and sewer issues.

    * Purchasing new software for the city's business office.

    * Ways to add space to city hall.

    * The mayor's conflicts with the Mark Dossett, Tontitown city attorney, and Mick Wagner, chairman of the Water and Sewer Commission.

    On the tape, Penzo can be heard questioning whether the meeting is legal under the terms of the Arkansas Freedom of Information Act. Penzo asked if the press had been notified.

    "If it hasn't, then we're in violation," Penzo says on the tape.

    Goddard replies she told the "girls up front" to notify the media more than one councilman was present at city hall. No one called The Morning News about the impromptu meeting. The newspaper was notified of a special council session for the evening of Jan. 4.

    John Tull, with the Little Rock law firm of Quattlebaum, Grooms, Tull and Burrow, the law firm used by the Arkansas Press Association, said there's not a bright-line rule about the number of aldermen and the circumstances under which they meet when determining if a meeting violates state law.

    "If two councilmen meet at a ballgame or restaurant and happen to discuss something going on in the city, that's probably not a violation," Tull said. "If the situation is an intentional gathering, I think it's probably a violation. A lot depends on the intent of the meeting and how the two people came to be present."

    The safest course is if two or more alderman are present, and something the board would be addressing comes up, they should just leave, Tull said.

    Penzo said Tuesday he thought the city had complied with the Freedom of Information Act law.

    "Tracy said the newspapers had been notified," Penzo said. "I thought that made it right. But I really couldn't say for sure (about paper notification) one way or the other."

    E-mail between aldermen and other city officials reflect different versions of the Jan. 4 morning meeting.

    Goddard in an e-mail dated March 13 wrote the public was not notified and at least two council members (Hinshaw and Penzo) along with the mayor and herself met at city hall to discuss city business.

    Hinshaw's e-mail reflects two different versions of the Jan. 4 meeting.

    In a Jan. 17 e-mail to council members Becky Alston, Ken Robertson, David Sbanotto, the mayor and others, Hinshaw writes Penzo came down to sign the signature card for the bank accounts. Hinshaw said she signed the same cards, but was there to help Edgmon move into his office.

    In an e-mail dated March 13 to Scott McNair, Sbanotto and Alston, and others, Hinshaw wrote that "upon further reflection" she remembers the (Jan. 4 morning) meeting may not have violated the Freedom of Information Act. She explains Penzo was an alderman-elect and wasn't sworn into office until Jan. 9 and therefore the Freedom of Information Act was not violated.

    Hinshaw also writes even though she and Penzo were at city hall to sign signature cards for bank accounts, they did not discuss city business, although the recording of the meeting reflects otherwise.

    Queried as an outside authority on city government, Jeff Harper, Springdale city attorney, said Penzo was a "de facto alderman" because he was elected. It's the same as an alderman who didn't seek another term but had no opponent, Harper said, whether or not the alderman had an opponent.

    Penzo defeated David Bolinger for the Ward 2, Position 1, seat in the November election.

    "Like the mayor at Elm Springs in the last election," Harper said. "She didn't run, didn't have an opponent, but she just kept going as mayor."

    An alderman "de facto" is a legal term, Harper said, meaning the alderman is in possession of an office and performs its duty under public acquiescence, whether sworn in or not.

    The Arkansas Supreme Court and the Arkansas Court of Appeals support the "alderman de facto" point of law, Harper adds.

    Hinshaw said Tuesday mistakes were made with the e-mail.

    "I have to admit that being a new alderman, I have erred greatly," Hinshaw said. "I was told if two aldermen met, it would be subject to the Freedom of Information Act. E-mails were never mentioned as a meeting. We are encouraged by Mick (Wagner) and Tracy (Goddard) to e-mail everything."

    Aldermen can e-mail Wagner and Goddard without violating the Freedom of Information Act. The open meeting requirement is triggered when two or more members of the same public board or commission meet. One alderman can meet with several city officials at once about city business that is likely to come before the council and not violate the law. Two aldermen together cannot.

    Deleted From Agenda

    Another possible infraction of the Freedom of Information Act occurred when council members called a special Sunday meeting Feb. 11 to discuss a proposed sports bar and to sort out problems between the mayor and department and administrative heads in the city.

    The mayor didn't show, so the item regarding the problems with the mayor and other city officials was tabled until the next council meeting March 6. At that meeting, the item was pulled from the agenda by a unanimous vote of the council with no discussion.

    There was no need for discussion at the March 6 meeting because council members had already communicated on the issue, according to the e-mail The Morning News received.

    On Feb. 17, McNair e-mailed Hinshaw, Alston and Sbanotto: "I had a good meeting today with the mayor and feel like we have most all the issues worked out. I will get with each of you, but it will be my recommendation that the issue we tabled on Sunday be removed from the agenda. Since it will need to be on the actual agenda, I will make a motion to delete it off. I believe we collectively came up with a good answer and can move on with the city's business.

    "Like I said, I will contact you personally, but wanted you to know the top-line positive result."

    McNair on Tuesday said that, at the time, he was attempting to resolve what he feels are different factions within the city.

    "No excuses," McNair said. "I was still learning. At that point in time, I'd been on the job three weeks."

    Freedom To E-Mail?

    The state's Attorney General issued two opinions, one in 1999 and another in 2006, dealing with the issue of e-mail and the Freedom of Information Act.

    Opinion 1999-018 states an e-mail message is subject to disclosure as a public record.

    Opinion 2005-166 states that, generally, the Freedom of Information Act is not violated if one member of a governing body e-mails another member. However, the opinion continues, a violation may nevertheless occur through a sequential or circular series of e-mail communications or under circumstances suggesting that the governing body was deliberating in secret.

    Brenda Blagg, the Freedom of Information Act chairwoman for the Arkansas Press Women and one of the founding members of the Arkansas Freedom of Information Coalition, said the actions of Tontitown's council members appear clear.

    "I think they violated the Freedom of Information Act several times," said Blagg, who is also a regional editor and columnist for The Morning News. "I don't think they'd want to go to court."

    Limited Participation

    City council members engaged in several round-robin discussions of city business, including asking the city attorney if there was a way to discuss city business behind closed doors.

    In a Jan. 22 e-mail, Hinshaw asks the city attorney about holding a meeting between the city council, mayor and the water and sewer commission to discuss responsibilities and make sure everyone does the job they were hired to do.

    "Can we hold a meeting with 'limited participation?'" Hinshaw writes.

    Alderwoman Alston responds to Hinshaw's e-mail, saying, "I'm thinking that the executive session is not that great of an idea now. Meeting with everybody together ... is a great idea. Freedom of Information Act puts us in a pickle in this case. Wish we could just get together and talk it out like the reasonable adults that we are."

    Alston said Tuesday the e-mail between aldermen was an attempt to settle issues before they became even more of a problem.

    "Basically, we're learning the hard way on a lot of things," Alston said. "We were trying to do the right thing. Being an alderman has been an education on a lot of things."

    Salary Decision

    A Feb. 27 e-mail from Alston to Hinshaw details a change in the budget the council must vote on to hire an administrative assistant to the mayor.

    Alston says she is communicating in place of McNair, because he is working. Alston writes to Hinshaw, "Scott said you all had discussed $25,000 (salary). That sounds reasonable to me."

    Later that evening, McNair sends an e-mail to Hinshaw, Sbanotto and Alston, saying the $25K would come from the position formerly held by Mick Frus, a member of the planning department and GIS technician.

    McNair ends the e-mail with, "If there are any other questions, let's discuss quickly before the CC (City Council) meeting."

    Hinshaw responds to Alston, McNair and Sbanotto with instructions from the city attorney on how to make the motions at the City Council meeting and telling McNair, "You get to be the point man on this."

    Meeting Attendance

    Aldermen also discuss, via e-mail, an attendance policy for meetings.

    McNair, in March, e-mailed Alston recommending if "we" do not get full attendance by the CC (city council) and mayor, that "we" then move to special meetings every Tuesday (or every day if needed) until "we" do have everyone present.

    On March 13, after the e-mail had been forwarded among aldermen, Hinshaw responds to McNair's e-mail with copies to Alston, Sbanotto, and Penzo, saying, "Let's take this one step farther ... if any one person misses three of these meetings; whatever the reason; this person will be considered resigned, retired, quit, dismissed, etc. We'll get a full house this way. However, we need to include Mick, Tracy, Shane and Mark for sure plus anyone else that you feel needs to be spoken to or heard from."

    McNair suggested the extra meetings not be paid. Hinshaw counters, "I feel that the actual meeting, the one that has full attendance, be a paid meeting. It may take hours and I doubt it will be a pleasant evening. We will have to pay Mark for each meeting regardless of if the meeting occurs or not as he has travel and preparation time."

    McNair agrees with Hinshaw in a responding e-mail.

    Soliciting Votes

    Aldermen also discussed committee appointments and votes on ordinances via the Internet.

    In a Jan. 29 e-mail, Hinshaw writes to Sbanotto and Alston "I hope that you have read the proposed ordinances that repeal the street and finance committee and divide this into two committees, one for street and one for finance. I also hope you recall that David, Becky and Myself are on the proposed Finance committee. I am assuming that as you both accepted positions on this committee that you will be voting for these ordinances and none too soon."

    Hinshaw ends the e-mail with, "As you read the instructions that Mark Dossett has laid out for us in performing this task you will see that we need to submit an amended budget during or immediately after the Feb. CC (city council) meeting. I am asking for your immediate input on these questions and ask you to call me at ... after 7 p.m. any night this week."

    Alston and Hinshaw continued e-mail back and forth, discussing transfers out of the street fund and how to set up budget reflecting the new committees.

    Dossett's Warnings

    Dossett sent an e-mail March 13 to Tontitown officials warning them about the Freedom of Information Act and admonishing them about the Jan. 4 morning meeting.

    "If forced to defend it in court, I can make the argument that the Freedom of Information Act did not apply. Who knows how that would turn out. It's too close to call without litigating it. If asked ahead of time, I would say to assume it did apply, simply for the purpose of playing it 'safe.'"

    On March 15, Dossett followed up with a letter to the mayor and council members, saying an Arkansas Attorney General's opinion states a meeting by phone to discuss city business is the same as a meeting in person.

    E-mail, Dossett wrote, is a gray area that hasn't been litigated in Arkansas. However, courts in other states with Freedom of Information Act laws similar to Arkansas have found e-mail falls under the same scrutiny as phone calls.

    Blagg, the state's expert on the Freedom of Information Act, compared discussions via e-mail to letters rather than phone calls.

    "A phone call is kind of out there," Blagg said. "E-mails are something solid, like a letter."

    Dossett repeatedly warned aldermen to keep e-mail to dissemination of information and not engage in round-robin discussions via the Internet.

    The two most tenured aldermen, Penzo and Piazza, do not have e-mail accounts and don't intend to get them, they say. Penzo has been on the council since 1998 and Piazza since 1970.

    "E-mails are good to keep in touch between the mayor, city attorney and recorder/treasurer," Piazza said. "But individuals going back-and-forth on the computer -- that's kid stuff. That's like passing notes back-and-forth in school."

    Tull said it would be more convenient for media and governing boards alike if more elected officials felt like Piazza.

    "It's a shame newspapers have to take steps that are costly to the newspaper just to make people obey the law," Tull said.

    The Tontitown City Council on Tuesday passed a comprehensive policy, proposed by Dossett, on the use of e-mail.

    The policy again states the council should use e-mail only for dissemination of information and should strive to abide by provisions of the Freedom of Information Act.

    The policy also requires aldermen to forward e-mail to the recorder/treasurer's office, which will maintain a hard copy "reading file" of the e-mail for public viewing.

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    Brazos wrote on Apr 8, 2007 7:17 AM:

    " Now Tonitown can go back to the old fashion way of passing information back and forth without the public knowing what is going on or having input. The Telephone. "

    just watchin' wrote on Apr 8, 2007 8:06 AM:

    " Where would we be in all this hustle and bustle of NWA without the constant Tontitown antics to keep us amused? It's better reading than the comics! Unfortunately the real important issues in this whole area are overlooked. "

    Brazos wrote on Apr 8, 2007 8:31 AM:

    " I agree "just watchin". A few years ago it was all about Centerton and Sulphur Springs. Now it is Tontitown and Gravette. We have driving issues in this part of the state (roads, water, sewer, immigration, & on and on). Once these cities get people that really care about to run them and work for them then they too will progress. "

    Priceless wrote on Apr 8, 2007 10:27 AM:

    " The city attorney advised the elected officials not to break the law with illegal emails with HIS OWN ILLEGAL EMAIL... PRICELESS!! He should resign immediately. His job was to prevent this from happening not to encourage it. New councilpersons were not informed properly of FOI law. The first thing larger towns such as Springdale do is have a public session with new alderman to educate them on issues such as this. The Tontitown attorney is obviously a joke. The sad thing is that every mistake he makes representing the city actually makes him money (you know… billing by the hour, court fees, etc). "

    Not too sure about that wrote on Apr 8, 2007 10:41 AM:

    " For priceless... I don't believe the attorney's email was illegal. Too little to late, well yes. It is definitely a case of blind leading the blind. All new aldermen should have been educated on the rules before taking office. Very poor job performance on his part. Residents are not getting their money's worth out of that one. "

    not in town wrote on Apr 8, 2007 10:42 AM:

    " the city attorney can have a meeting with any councilman at any time WITHOUT the press being notified!!!!! "

    Facts are Facts wrote on Apr 8, 2007 10:56 AM:

    " There was a public training meeting held in December in which alderman were educated. The City Attorney is the best Tontitown has ever had!!! "

    Yeah for Harrison wrote on Apr 8, 2007 11:01 AM:

    " Thank you S.H. for holding the mayor accountable for trying to hold meetings illegally! You are doing an excellent job... keep it up! "

    For: Facts are Facts wrote on Apr 8, 2007 11:16 AM:

    " Let's look at your statement "The City Attorney is the best Tontitown has ever had!!!". Wow, now that's relly saying a lot. That's like saying I'd rather be hit by a truck than dropped from a cliff. Good one. "

    Standing up for rights wrote on Apr 8, 2007 11:45 AM:

    " It appears the "inspector" is standing up for his rights despite being harrassed! "

    Over office space? wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:00 PM:

    " It is the Mayor'sright to operate the city as he sees fit. He should tell Harrison to work out of the freakin broom closet. "

    The Best wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:08 PM:

    " You mean everytime somemone else "screws up" he gets paid. Look at the bills... it appears it has is the Mayor he has had to "babysit". "

    The Mayor is the trouble wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:15 PM:

    " I agree with ""the Best". I have been to most of these meetings, and the Mayor is a BIG problem. The attorney fees are large, because of him, and if you read the article, all the problems stemmed from people trying to cover issues with the Mayor. I think the best thing for Tontitown is for the Mayor to leave, be impeached, whatever "

    Hit the nail on the head wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:22 PM:

    " "The Best" and "The Mayor is the Trouble": You hit the nail on the head! "

    To Attorney $$$ wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:24 PM:

    " Wrong again! They have doubled this year... check your facts. This information is public "

    AAttorney $$$ wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:26 PM:

    " So the attorney gets dumber as time goes on? "

    To Attorney $$$ wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:26 PM:

    " No the mayors do! "

    To happy feet wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:27 PM:

    " Actually in Arkansas only one person in the conversation has to know it is being recorded. May want to have your facts straight before you open your mouth. The mayor should not being doing anything that is not legal or ethical. His actions should be as if he is always being recorded. If you believe this is wrong maybe you should look at yourself. "

    Attorney wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:29 PM:

    " Since there is all this FOIing going on...why dont you FOI the attorney bills. Why is the Mayor's wife on the bill? Also, if you were at the last meeting, one of the Coucil said that most of the money spent was due to all the problems the mayor was causing for the inspector. I agree with the others - The Mayor is a problem "

    To Attorney $$$ wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:30 PM:

    " It is obvious you have not know the facts or you would know that the attorney fees (not involving the RV lawsuit) have doubled. "

    Happy Feet wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:31 PM:

    " I did not say the actions were illegal. That was another poster. I did say his actions were insubordinate and unethical. He should be fired. "

    The Mayor wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:32 PM:

    " He should resign. "

    To Happy Feet wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:35 PM:

    " Maybe he was pushed to the point were he believed he had to protect himself? "

    To Poor Mayor wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:42 PM:

    " Certainly you dont believe that, do you? That the Mayor is just a helpless victim? He has an integrity problem. He dug this hole himself with NUMEROUS people from what I gathered last Tuesday. It is one thing if only 1 person calls you a liar, but the CC, RT, Attorney, People who work for him AND the citizens? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......its a DUCK "

    Why would he want to leave? wrote on Apr 8, 2007 1:18 PM:

    " He is raking in large sums of money at the expense of the taxpayer while being able to blame his mistakes on someone else. What incentive does he have to keep the city out of trouble at that point? He is paid by the hour, and he has scapegoats. "

    City Attorney wrote on Apr 8, 2007 1:23 PM:

    " The City Attorney is the scapegoat here. Can't believe I am defending a lawyer...but the truth is the truth. I agree with the others - fire the Mayor "

    Ok Then wrote on Apr 8, 2007 1:32 PM:

    " Get rid of the Mayor, but who are you gonna blame next? It didn't go away the first 2 times you pulled this. Even if you manage to put your own puppet in his place, your problems will not go away. The majority of Tontitown does not want your ilk. "

    To Let's Talk Mayors wrote on Apr 8, 2007 2:53 PM:

    " Your post was the most intelligent and accurate post that I've seen yet. I applaude you, for one anyway. Thank you "

    Thank you Counseling wrote on Apr 8, 2007 4:02 PM:

    " Excellently stated! "

    Chughole wrote on Apr 8, 2007 4:06 PM:

    " With all this bickering and FOIing goinr on. Why don't someone F.I.X the streets? "

    Red Fox wrote on Apr 8, 2007 4:12 PM:

    " Mr. Wagner someday we will have a statue of you in front of City Hall. Keep up the good work. The good citizens of TT need you.... "

    To the Aldermen - wrote on Apr 8, 2007 4:59 PM:

    " Citizens know it is hard to settle issues in public meetings when the mayor will not show! "

    FOT wrote on Apr 8, 2007 5:08 PM:

    " I guess we didn't know what we were doing "

    2 vocal groups wrote on Apr 8, 2007 5:13 PM:

    " There's 2 vocal groups that are ruining Tontitown. Difference is 1 complains in public and the other manipulates behind the scenes. Who is right? Give this CC credit for trying to look out for all of the citizens and not just the manipulators. Wouldn't have to worry about losing tradition if the CC could concentrate on Tontitown and quit cleaning up after this Mayor. "

    Mr Mayor wrote on Apr 8, 2007 5:18 PM:

    " Remember only 50.5% of the people voted for you and 49.5% didn't. Looks to me like the % is changing to more not wanting you.. Its time to resign. "

    illegal meeting wrote on Apr 8, 2007 5:24 PM:

    " How do we get a copy of the minutes from the illegal meeting? We citizens have the right to know. Wasn't there an evening meeting too? Let's hear both minutes and see if these people tell us the truth in public. "

    Get aLife wrote on Apr 8, 2007 5:50 PM:

    " To M. Wagoner. if you have not noticed everyone around you knows what kind of person . . .that is why you aren't on the counsel!! "

    little red rabbit wrote on Apr 8, 2007 6:01 PM:

    " "Happy Feet" Why are you afraid of being recorded? I have heard many other recordings Mr. Harrison obtains that is very incriminating. None were taken unethical on his part under the laws of Arkansas. It has been stated Mr. Harrison is a member of the "Hells Angels" motor cycle gang, If he is make him come forward and state his affiliation with them. Mr. Harrison has been out of the closet for many years yes he should be made to work out of a broom closet. Thank God he is not hiding in the closet little red rabbit!!!!! "

    To little red rabbit wrote on Apr 8, 2007 6:18 PM:

    " Sorry. That made absolutely no sense. No sea tonto... "

    to Get a Life wrote on Apr 8, 2007 8:00 PM:

    " You spell it Council. Maybe you should be more worried about your spelling than worried about the RAT(S). No truth in advertising. The good citizens of Tontitown should have been told the truth and not lead to believe a better day was coming. Bye, Bye in 2 and 4. "

    THe Story of Average Joe wrote on Apr 8, 2007 8:09 PM:

    " The Mayor is an average "Joe" that represents what Tontitown is made up of. A particular group of people has basically declared "war" on what Tontitown has represented in the last one hundred years. This group does not care about the traditions or history of Tontitown. This group only cares about putting cash in their pockets despite the effects on Tontitown and those living in it. Average "Joe" was brave enough to stand up to this group. Do not let him go down without a fight! "

    below average wrote on Apr 8, 2007 8:18 PM:

    " We voted for "average Joe" but he has proven to be well below average. We will lose our traditions because he didn't fight his battle with the right troops. We need an above average Joe. "

    Ditto wrote on Apr 8, 2007 8:20 PM:

    " Ditto to "Below Average"... Can we re-vote??? "

    To True Listener wrote on Apr 8, 2007 9:08 PM:

    " Your are a perfect example of the problem in Tontitown. Spreading rumors that you make up to further your agenda. Is this supposed to help? If you are the "good" people of Tontitown, the city has more problems than mentioned above "

    aleasha harrison wrote on Apr 8, 2007 9:49 PM:

    " Let me just say,We ride bikes. Is this a crime?? We have rode with all walks of life. We do not discriminate.We try our best and want to be friends with everyone.Let me answer, NO, we are not in with the Hells Angels' Gang, although sometimes, I wish we were , we would not have to put up with such ignorance. My husband has had to deal with much unnecessary problems, since Mayor Edgmon has taken office. Within the last week after the Tuesday night council meeting, I can honestly say the Mayor is doing his best to work things out, for I feel, he finally has realized that my husband is highly and very much so qualified for the job titles... he has been hired for (Fire Marshal, City Code Official and Building Inspector). And it is to my thoughts, it only benefits the city to have such an individual who is educated in all 3 positions. My husband is a fine outstanding man and he would help anyone. He is an individual that wants to be friends with everyone. I feel that the City of Tontitown should be thankful to have found such an individual. Proud to be married to Shane Harrison. "

    Shane Supporter wrote on Apr 8, 2007 9:54 PM:

    " Many support Shane and agree he is a highly qualified individual. Tontitown is fortunate to have him as an city employee! "

    The Rose Tattoo wrote on Apr 8, 2007 11:41 PM:

    " THOSE ITALIANS ARE AT IT AGAIN! "

    To Tontitown wrote on Apr 9, 2007 12:34 AM:

    " I laugh at thee. HA! HA! "

    Not a supporter wrote on Apr 9, 2007 12:35 AM:

    " Harrison better hope he keeps his job. He won't be able to get one anywhere else after this. "

    My my my goodness ... wrote on Apr 9, 2007 12:53 AM:

    " It is amazing what uneducated people will say to make themselves look more important. I would think all the Joe supporters would be tired by now. Jumping to conclusions and running off at the mouth can be very tiring! People please, if you are not going to come into the 21st Century, de-annex into Springdale where we can give you the Water and Sewer, Fire Protection, Police Protection and quality streets that we all enjoy! "

    just work there wrote on Apr 9, 2007 5:17 AM:

    " to Let's talk Mayors, TT is metal buildings and septic tanks. All the additional building (and I might say old residents are getting rich on their subdivision sales) by now are swimming on a sea of effluent, just barely underground. And, you old tradional folks are letting it get worse. Oh, it won't matter any... you'll be dead and gone or retire and move and it won't be your problem. Wake up! "

    knows the truth wrote on Apr 9, 2007 8:07 AM:

    " Leave the Italians out of this. For those of us who have been around for awhile now know who is "painting" these tales and his stories will soon come to light. Keeping the pot stirred has "painted" him into a corner. Lonely, isn't it? "

    The real littleredrabbit wrote on Apr 9, 2007 8:40 AM:

    " Let me set the record straight, I am being misquoted by an alias and that just does not set right with me. The meeting held on January 4, was an impromptu gathering initiated by Tracey Goddard. The truth is the Mayor was having a melt down. He just had surgery the day before, and he was coming into office with pre-conceived ideas about everyone at City Hall. He was and has been getting some bad advice from somewhere, and it is not me. I do not agree with the comments made by the Mayor during the meeting, they are not my views or opinions. Nevertheless, I have concerns when someone feels it necessary to record conversations. I have since learned the recordings were made by Shane Harrison and understand his reasoning, and I have no conflict after learning the why of the situation. Mr. Harrison is a great asset to the City, and I have always been an advocate of his dedication to serve Tontitown. What I have a problem with is when Mr. Wagner released to the public bits and pieces of this conversation in an effort to discredit or embarrass the people or persons attending this meeting. This cast a very slanted view regarding the complete content of the recordings. There has been a book full of disparaging remarks made by everyone involved in this group of folks. No one is without blame for bad behavior. The best thing we all could do is get on with business. "

    Why... wrote on Apr 9, 2007 11:02 AM:

    " do you have to call people names? It is actually a reflection of YOU instead of the person you are trying to berate. "

    To Exactly Why wrote on Apr 9, 2007 11:19 AM:

    " Most citizens "get it". You cannot help those who refuse to see the mess TTown would be in without the sewer. "

    The real littleredrabbit wrote on Apr 9, 2007 1:46 PM:

    " To Exactly Why: No, not brain surgery. Didn't see your name on the ballot November 7th, 2006. Care to step up on in four years. I am sure with all your professionalism and well researched comments you would make a fine candidate for Mayor. As my favorite comedian would say: HERE"S YOUR SIGN! "

    The Rose Tattoo wrote on Apr 9, 2007 2:18 PM:

    " THOSE ITALIANS ARE AT IT AGAIN! Piazza for President "

    sad wrote on Apr 10, 2007 12:11 PM:

    " sad sad sad "

    Wondering? wrote on Apr 10, 2007 5:14 PM:

    " Can't we all just get along? "

    Well... Mr. Hoss wrote on Apr 10, 2007 8:04 PM:

    " I disagree with you on having frivolous lawsuits as long as Mr. Wagner is involved in Tontiown. I have not seen that any of the lawsuits filed against Tontitown has been Mr.Wagners fault; what I have seen is people not following the law and trying to get their way in filing these suits and trying to place the blame on others. One thing is for sure that as long as Mr.Wagner is involved that the homework will be done, laws will be followed and progress will happen as it should. He may not be the most personable person, but I do know that he does want what is best for Tontitown. Mr. Wagner spends alot of time working and meeting with people making sure things are done in the proprer manner, so why don't so of the people who judge him try asking the people who work with him on a regular basis how he is and I think you will find there are many people who support him. "

    Ditto wrote on Apr 10, 2007 8:17 PM:

    " Ditto, Ditto, Ditto! "

    Hoss wrote on Apr 11, 2007 6:23 AM:

    " I am glad some of you can see through Wagner. Maybe there is a chance that Tonitown will make it.4fvey "

    Chughole wrote on Apr 11, 2007 8:49 AM:

    " Wish we had someone running the street department like Mr.Wagner. Maybe we would get some streets painted and re-serviced (not chip and seal). Then maybe my car wouldn't go whop whop whop when I drive in TT. "

    johnnyonthespot wrote on Apr 13, 2007 9:53 PM:

    " It's easy to be critical of those who volunteer to try to make a difference. All of these elected officials are there because they want to serve and make your town better. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt instead of trying to villify them. It's easy to be an armchair quarterback but I don't see any of you running for office. Either put up or shut up. Tontitown is a wonderful town full of great people who care about their history and heritage. I applaud those who try to make this beautiful town a better place to live. "


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