Patrons Fail in Quest to Supplement Evolution Teachings

Last updated Monday, May 14, 2007 10:55 PM CDT in News

By Lana F. Flowers
The Morning News

    ROGERS -- The six minutes dentist Don Eckard and patron Mark Moore used to talk about deficient science textbooks did not sway the Rogers School Board.

    The board at a Monday meeting listened to Eckard and Moore but made no motion and took no action on the men's request to supplement high school biology textbooks with additional critical analysts of evolution.

    Eckard asked the board to approve a DVD, "How to Teach the Controversy over Darwin Legally."

    The school board in April took the need for supplemental materials under advisement but voted to adopt the secondary science textbooks.

    Eckard on Monday continued his argument that the biology book presents a one-sided argument for evolution without presenting other scientific opinions.

    "There is a controversy. There is a problem," Eckard said.

    All textbooks are written from the author's viewpoint or opinion and promote an agenda, Eckard said.

    In addition, he said textbooks written for and marketed in larger states may not meet all the Arkansas education standards.

    Moore also said the biology textbook does not critically analyze evolution or the evidence cited to support evolution, including insects becoming resistant to pesticides over time or microbes' resistance to antibiotics.

    A committee of science teachers reviewed the proposed DVD, said Jim Johnson, assistant superintendent for secondary education. The committee unanimously recommended the supplemental DVD not be approved, Johnson said.

    Eckard stood up to ask why.

    Joye Kelley, school board president, told Eckard his time to speak had expired and the school board was not there to debate with him.

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    tim wrote on May 14, 2007 11:48 PM:

    " Sounds to me that it may be time for a School board Pres. that is more in tune with concerned parents. I have already informed my Daughter that the Evolution theory is just that...a theory. Anyone can have a theory, and like Darwin, anyone could marry thier Cousin but it doesnt make either one right. "

    tony wrote on May 15, 2007 6:55 AM:

    " As I have publicly stated, evolution is NOT a THEORY. Like it or not, evolution is a FACT, just like gravity. What got it started is, of course, a different question which science cannot yet answer and which is wide open to belief and speculation. Do we also teach children that the earth might be flat, which some people still believe? Why are well-meaning Christians still beating this dead horse instead of putting their energy into the issues that Jesus specifically said were important? He wasn't too concerned with some Old Testament stories but brought us a new agenda. "

    cybertech wrote on May 15, 2007 8:31 AM:

    " Ok, If evolution is NOT a THEORY as you say, you can tell me that while there is some evidence that it is 100% proof positive? I believe the answer to that is no it is not 100% proof positive. There are gaps in the THEORY of evolution, many gaps that have yet to be 100% proven, explained and filled, therefore there are some FAITH leaps involved even in evolution and in science in general.........Funny thing is that as to the theory of the evolution of man, the only real things that has evolved in any sense, if you take it on that aspect, is intelligence, and outer appearance. The internal organs have essentially stayed the same and served the same purposes that they do today other than the possibility of some of the organs becoming larger or smaller........Intelligent design can also be looked at as a theory as well and can be adequately explained. The reasons it is adamantly denied by some is that it is tied to religion, and that to claim intelligent design would also mean to claim a source and that is what some find so abhorrent. "

    Sodapop wrote on May 15, 2007 8:55 AM:

    " "Intelligent design can also be looked at as a theory as well and can be adequately explained." ------------- OK--Explain it. By the way the bible is a book of faith, not facts. "

    cybertech wrote on May 15, 2007 9:27 AM:

    " Well with respect to the Bible, it also contains historical fact as well. In other words many of the events of the Bible can and have been proven to have taken place. lol............. Easiest explanation and the first parts are common sense and mathematics. Even with 65 million of years of evolution, if in fact the earth is as old as speculated, an organism as complex as human beings could not have happened and it is that complexity that begs, both by common sense and mathematics, the possibility of a source of design..........As chaotic as the universe is there had to be a source for order to come about, in fact there had to be a source for the universe to come about because something from nothing is not anywhere near a logical assumption. A computer is a good metaphorical example. First it has to be built from specific materials and parts, but has no signs of intelligence until programmed. It had to be designed, built and programmed, thus a source of design. The complexity of the human body alone could never be duplicated from scratch even if we totally understood everything about it. "

    cybertech wrote on May 15, 2007 9:50 AM:

    " Just for the record, I am in no way saying science is wrong or not needed. I am simply saying that scientists could and in fact some are exploring other possibilities to help explain the order of the universe, human existence, ect..... and there are possibilities to be found all over, and pieces of evidence to support as well. Truth is we will never really know the answer to it all, until we pass on that is, unless we just blink out in the end of all things, and to blink out, to me seems absurd because that would mean that we, humans, serve no purpose other than to occupy a space and a time. "

    Sodapop wrote on May 15, 2007 9:58 AM:

    " All you are giving us is the Infinite monkey theorem. Saying common sense proves something is not proving anything. It was common sense to many people that the world was flat for many years. Common sense is nothing more than what people in common would agree to. "

    Tube R Knottube wrote on May 15, 2007 4:52 PM:

    " We human beings serve a purpose, any purpose WE choose to serve. Right now our purpose appears to be consuming as much fossil fuel as possible, making big, huge destructive weapons...all of which I'm certain a creator up there designed us to do. ........... "

    tim wrote on May 15, 2007 6:34 PM:

    " TO TONY: "To improve a living organism by random mutation is like saying you could improve a Swiss watch by dropping it and bending one of its wheels or axis. Improving life by random mutations has the probability of zero." -Albert Szent-Gyorgi, Nobel Laureate (Medicine, 1937) THEORY...you can call God a theory, you have that right, because God gave us a Free Will. "

    cybertech wrote on May 15, 2007 7:54 PM:

    " "Common sense is nothing more than what people in common would agree to. " Is that not part of what scientists do all the time? or is that to say that science does not contain common sense to some degree? lol ...........Tim is correct in his analogy as well........As to what was said about "We human beings do serve a purpose...ect" You are right there also to a degree but to what ends is the end part of that question, and in the bigger picture of everything, if we just blink out when we die what purpose did we, humans, really serve other than to take up a space, and a time, just to become fertilizer. I think that would just be a bit of a waste, seems that there has to be more to it than that. lol.............As to science, what is so bad about exploring more than one possibility, or for that matter, why not search for "the source", nothing wrong with that, yea it requires a some faith, but the same can be said for science, because until 100% definitive proof is in hand, then any theory, or hypothesis is a matter faith. "

    Twinkie wrote on May 15, 2007 9:19 PM:

    " Why is there anything rather than nothng at all? It's a philosophical question pretty much defining existentialism. Science can't answer it just yet, even with the acceptance of evolution. Intelligent design answers it, but not yet scientifically. Maybe when the two stop fighting each other and work together there will be an answer. Maybe god really is the ultimate scientist. "

    tony wrote on May 16, 2007 7:31 AM:

    " CYBERTECH: Gravity isn't 100% understood. Would you deny that it exists? We never know what we DON'T know, so that argument doesn't work. There is no better explanation for the diversity of life than evolution and is supported by over 100 years of study. And the evidence is that evolution started far longer ago than 65 million years. Heck, I see people today that look a lot like chimpanzees & gorillas except for the hair. More seriously, I am a scientist & a Christian and do not rule out intelligent design...I'm waiting for someone to objectively demonstrate its existence. "

    cybertech wrote on May 16, 2007 9:48 AM:

    " Actually, with evolution as the basis here, it would have had to essentially restart after the extinction of the dinosaurs at the end, I believe it was, of the pre-cambrian period, and human evolution, with evolution as a base, and according to science started well after the pre-cambrian as there were, again according to science, no humans during the time of the dinosaur extinction, however evidence is cropping up that even challenging that............Personally I think both evolution and intelligent design both explain quite well about the diversity of life itself, and while intelligent designs beginnings are laid out in the genesis text, either way both ID and Evolution are still theories because both require a bit of faith, and are as of yet 100% prover fact.........I find both fascinating as well and maybe there is a tie somewhere between the two, at this point who knows. The main crux of the argument being theory or fact, and if theory why not offer an alternative theory in text books for discussion and allow the reader to draw their own conclusions, nothing wrong with that at all, and both would spur not only debate but scientific study on both possibilities............... "

    cybertech wrote on May 16, 2007 9:52 AM:

    " Cont'd..................."Heck, I see people today that look a lot like chimpanzees & gorillas except for the hair." Well I see people that look like all sorts of animals in a way, but it doesnt mean that they derived from those. lol..............................My point is what is so bad about doing studies in both areas? You are a scientist, are you doing any studies in intelligent design as you may be doing on evolution? and if not why? Because you cant call it unproven unless you prove it, and likewise you cant call it proven until it is proven 100% "

    sodapop wrote on May 16, 2007 7:20 PM:

    " I am a Christian and I am against requiring science teachers teach Intelligent or God's design in public school science classes. This is literal creationism trying to disguise itself as science. I do not want my children instructed on the Designer or God by some biology teacher. The truth of the Bible is metaphorical and does not depend on historical factuality. "

    cybertech wrote on May 17, 2007 7:36 AM:

    " Actually the Bible does depend on historical factuality for without it, it is nothing more than a fictional story. The historical facts, may backed by archaeological evidence is very important as it proves that the places and in many cases the people actually existed and a small portion is metaphorical and the truth of it all comes from the whole........Now as to the teaching of ID its not about some biology teacher instructing any children on the designer or God even, what it is about is offering up a different aspect to how we got here and allowing them access to that information in order for them to do their own scientific exploration on that as well as evolution and comparing the two and there is nothing wrong with that at all. "

    sodapop wrote on May 17, 2007 8:02 AM:

    " "Actually the Bible does depend on historical factuality for without it, it is nothing more than a fictional story."----------I am sorry that all you get out of the teachings of Jesus is the earthly the things. "

    cybertech wrote on May 17, 2007 1:59 PM:

    " Fun taking things out of context isnt it. lol "


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