Consternation Among Hispanics After Immigration Reform Stalled
Last updated Saturday, June 9, 2007 9:36 PM CDT in News
By Pablo Bello
THE MORNING NEWS
SPRINGDALE -- The stalled proposed Senate immigration bill has some immigrants consternated, others still hopeful and others confused.
National legislators split on the amendments of the bill, which would had gave an estimated 12 million undocumented aliens the opportunity to become legal residents and gain citizenship.
"I am sad because I have brothers and other family members who don't have the legal residency, but I would like to see them have access to health services if the immigration reform is approved by the Congress," said Benjamin Miranda, 54, of Springdale.
If the bill became law, it would have result in the biggest change in immigration law and policy in more than 20 years.
Omar Merino, 31, of Rogers said the stalled proposal has the Hispanic community confused, and many people don't yet know the bill stalled.
"It is a reality that the Hispanic community is the biggest minority in the country and a huge work force that needs help to keep working," said Merino.
Omar Martinez, 28, a resident of Springdale said he would like to see a massive legalization to see immigrants living in better conditions.
Jim Reebs, 45, of Rogers, said, "Everyone should have a chance to better their life's, but other than that, go through the legal channels."
He thinks if he could change the legislation he would change the red tape in the proposed immigration bill.
"I don't know what's involved, but I think the process is very lengthy," said Reebs.
Ken Bower, 69, of Elm Springs, said that as it sits now (the immigration proposal) will never pass because Congress is asking Latinos to pay $5,000 a piece and go back to Mexico and come to the U.S the right way.
"They are going to have to wait eight or 13 years to come back and many people have families here and who's going to take care of them?" said Bower, who grew up in California among Latinos.
He asked if Latinos are having a hard time making a living now, how are they going to pay $5,000.
Bower doesn't think the proposal will pass this year but he would like to see everyone getting a driver's license and applying to become a citizen and also learning English.
"Down there is pretty tough.. and they are people like us. If I were them, I would be the same way, I would cross that border every chance that I've got," said Bower.
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ozarks wrote on Jun 10, 2007 11:47 AM:
" This is not about immigration, this about ILLEGAL immigration. Stop trying to blur the two! Enforce the laws already in place and get on the folks that hire the illegals. No jobs, no illegals! Simple. No amnesty! "
Moonglow wrote on Jun 10, 2007 12:15 PM:
" This illegal monopoly of a printing company that has the nerve to be a pro-illegal immigration newpaper, and should be boycotted by us Nw Arkansas people. This company prints newspapers in spanish and gives them away for free. Unlike us stupid U.S. cictzens that are non-hispanic that have to pay.
The stories they have printed in the past on this topic are way to liberal and one-sided to the effect that you'd think illegal aliens are at the helm.
Your pedantric journalistic pandering is shallow Mr. Editor. "
Tspud wrote on Jun 10, 2007 12:20 PM:
" Comment "I would like to see them have access to health services" That hasn't stopped most ILLEGALS. Comment "he would like to see a massive legalization to see immigrants living in better conditions." They are in MUCH better condition than their home land. Comment "It is a reality that the Hispanic community is the biggest minority in the country and a huge work force that needs help to keep working," Why? They took the risk to come here without a job. Lot's of misinformation in this article and it sure is slanted to make a person feel sorry for them. "
Bogietime wrote on Jun 10, 2007 12:52 PM:
"
Americans have rejected Amnesty and these are the reasons:
1. Hostility
2. Lawlessness
3. Hatred towards white European bloodlines as well as the Black community.
4. Loyalty for the Mexican Flag
5. Their wish to take over the U.S.
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"
Bogietime wrote on Jun 10, 2007 1:08 PM:
" Please go to
http://www.saveourstate.org
and also visit our forums.
Thanks "
Madison wrote on Jun 10, 2007 1:29 PM:
" There are several good anit-illegal alien organizations around for the American citizens to join.Join one or join them all,but don't sit back and do nothing or they will win.Let the powers that be know they work for us, not these law breakers who have invaded our country. "
get_involved wrote on Jun 10, 2007 5:12 PM:
" If you are concerned about illegal immigration nobody is doing more than Presidential candidate Tom Tancredo. While he is a long shot, he can FORCE the other candidates to deal with and talk about the problem.
Contribute to his campaign today and help get his message out! http://www.teamtancredo.org/ "
Deacon wrote on Jun 10, 2007 5:14 PM:
" Madison is right! We can make our voices be heard with very liitle effort, provided you know where to go. I had heard of Numbers USA and checked it out, it's FREE to register, they send you updates as to what's taking place with YOUR elected officals and how they're voting for YOU. You can send ONLINE FAXES and let YOUR elected offical know how you feel about their voting. Last year Numbers USA swayed 4 Senators in changing their vote. This year they were hoping for 7 more, We Swayed 12 Senators and it lost passage.
So Your Voice Can Count.........WWW.NUMBERS USA.COM ...... Check It Out!!!!!!! "
scoot wrote on Jun 10, 2007 5:31 PM:
" Huge BEEF Recall, this is what happens whenyou bring Mexicos standards to America. When will corporations realize that this could cause unlimited lawsuits to their company. You gotta see the big picture before it happens. Everyone should remember what Mexican acticists have said about the white man. " It is time for the old white man to die ". Does that sound like what we want for immigration ? "
john hawkwood wrote on Jun 10, 2007 9:08 PM:
"
Scoot,
People that live in States that were affected by illegal immigration later in the invasion seem to be becoming aware of the reconquista political agenda. I think that the sight of Mexican flags and pictures of Che Guevara on t.v. during last years insults and threats were a reality check for a lot of people that didn't realise that this issue is as serious as a heart attack. Those of us that live in Calif. have been aware of this threat for a long time. Please help us all that you can. This is not a paranoid fantasy. If the U.S. Govt. loses control of this state you will lose your country. Our border is your border and very soon most people living in Calif. will have immediate family in Mexico. This nation is in serious trouble.
J.H. "
keeparkansaslegal wrote on Jun 10, 2007 10:21 PM:
" Here's an immigration reform group based in Arkansas:
http://keeparkansaslegal.blogspot.com/
It has links to other groups. "
Bogietime wrote on Jun 11, 2007 10:40 AM:
" Latino gangs and ethnic cleansing.
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http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0610F73B540C748DDDA80894DF404482
http://www.streetgangs.com/topics/2007/020107r204.html
Latino gang's killing of 14-year-old Cheryl Green because she was black is particularly senseless crime in wave of bias attacks in Los Angeles, where black and Latino gangs are battling, often in black neighborhoods where Latino population is surging; violence grew at alarming rate last year and 14 percent increase in gang crime is linked to interracial conflict; hate crimes overall rose 34 percent; Rabbi Allen Freehling blames failure of political leaders to prepare people for socioeconomic and demographic changes; other particularly violent attacks on blacks by Latinos and by black youths against young white women also cited; Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Police Comr William Bratton promise crackdowns; Green killing in Harbor Gateway, where blacks and Latinos have set up dividing line, particularly alarms officials; two Latinos are charged with murder "
sqirt wrote on Jun 11, 2007 10:42 AM:
" unlike texas, most people working in fast food here are white americans. there are some mexicans but not that many. most construction, factory, and etc are over run with the mexican work force. beside where do all these mexicans get the money to buy new trucks? put high $$$$$ wheels and tires on their cars and trucks? fancy clothes, and etc? it seems like here in n.w. ar. it's the americans that are living the poor style. working for the minimum wage. mexicans from south of the border are welcome here if they come legally! "
sovereignty wrote on Jun 11, 2007 4:43 PM:
" i for one do not care a bit what an illegal alien thinks about the political issues of this country. that is a large part of the reason that we have the problem of illegal immigration, too many of our political leaders, and the zombies that blindly follow them, care too much abour the illegal. would that they cared more for we the legal citizens and our security. notice the one man said he wanted the bill passed so his family members could get health care. and who is going to pay for that? you and I know the answer to that question. to all of you bleeding heart liberals out there who support open borders and amnesty how about you insist our government help the blacks in our inner cities first or the whites in the back woods first? we have our own hurting still and you want even more to come in. we cannot assimilate 20 million people much less the 40-60 million they will bring with them. God save this Republic. "
Madison wrote on Jun 11, 2007 8:03 PM:
" It looks like the President and Senate are going to try again to push the amnesty bill through.If you haven't e-mailed your senator to let them know how you feel about this amnesty,now is the time. "
sovereignty wrote on Jun 11, 2007 9:13 PM:
" yes all need to get in touch with lincoln and pryor about illegal immigration. i can tell you it will do no good but at least you will have tried. i have repeatedly written to those two clowns. they have both had one of their flunkies write me back. once lincoln's people wrote me a paragraph about getting tough on illegal immigration and securing the borders then the writer spent the next page and 1/2 telling me how great the mexican people are and how they contribute to the economy. well, my reply back was i live by a great person who just happens to be a mexican who waited 5 years to be legal and that she too resnts the illegals and besides, since i in my original letter to them did not mention any specific country/culture then why were they interjecting that issue? the issue is that a sovereign nation has a right and a duty to secure its borders and to determine who should come and go from them. the issue is not what people are coming across illegally. there are an estimated 50,000 illegal irishmen here, some of whom probably have my last name, and i say we send them packing too. anyway, thx mr bush, lincoln, pryor and the lot of your ilk who think only of money and political power. may you all rot in the underworld. "
3744 wrote on Jun 11, 2007 10:36 PM:
" We might as well face it, when we try to retire, there won't be any social security for us. Of course politicians don't have to worry about that, as they have a wonderful retirement plan. They continue to get $100,000.00 a year until they die, their wives also get money from our taxes for the rest of their lives. I could live like a queen on that. They should try to put money in a savings account for retirement on $26,500.00 a year. Believe me, it is impossible, so I guess I will be living in a cardboard box eating out of a trash can in my golden years. "
scoot wrote on Jun 12, 2007 1:33 AM:
" 3744 I truely hope that is not the case. But as stated earlier by another poster elected officials will not be affected. I am offended by how our government continues to ignore the illegal problem. They seem to know not which direction to turn thanks to organizations like the ACLU. Speaking of the ACLU it is very troubling to know they were founded by former members of the communist party. "
3744 wrote on Jun 12, 2007 1:50 AM:
" I hope that it doesn't happen that way. Considering I've been working since I was 15, including summer jobs, mowing yards, babysitting. That's 30 years of paying taxes, it's really disgusting to think I may not get any of the money I've paid in back. "
Madison wrote on Jun 12, 2007 6:18 AM:
" I read this on another site.
"DRIP on all politicians."
That's the advice of my buddy and top, long-time, now retired, San Francisco talk host, Jim Eason. He said it for years, never changing his opinion.
DRIP = "Don't Return Incumbent Politicians," – one term, and they're out.
I think one term of not doing what is best for the citizens of this country and we should vote them out.People who vote blindly time after time for the same person or party without really thinking are these people really doing what I want for this country is the problem.I don't believe being a politician was ment to be a career or family business passed from one generation to another.I know that when we let the politicians know we're not happy about this amnesty bill it has made a difference or they would have passed it last year. "
Aztlan wrote on Jun 12, 2007 10:27 AM:
" You people make me laugh, when ever you see change coming your mind starts to feel afraid because you can think outside the box. If not today than tomorrow but rest assure that soon immigrants will have an immigration reform and I a U.S. born citizen approve of it, as we speak 1,000,000 letters are on their way to Washington sign by U.S. citizens who are for an immigration reform and one of those sign letters is mine...I welcome anyone who wants to offer a better way of living to their family. Sure, people should be in the country legally but we are not in a perfect world so get over it. "
Tspud wrote on Jun 12, 2007 11:46 AM:
" Just where does it stop, the better life argument? You are entitled to your opinion as we ours but they are NOT entitled to all the benefits that we the tax payers will be burdened with. There are so many things wrong with this bill that even you can not defend many of them but just because you sympathize you will ruin the country because of your racial bias. "
Tspud wrote on Jun 12, 2007 11:49 AM:
" He will be back:
June 12, 2007, 6:23 AM EDT
GLOUCESTER -- A state police officer was injured on Sunday in Gloucester when he was hit head-on by a suspected drunken driver who also is believed to be an illegal immigrant.
State trooper Maxwell Williamson was treated for neck injuries and released on Monday. Alfonso Maldonado is being held in the Gloucester County Jail on charges of driving under the influence and driving without a license.
Local TV station WAVY-TV reports that Maldonado was found to be in the country illegally and that the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency has put a detainer on him and plans to begin deportation hearings.
"
Madison wrote on Jun 12, 2007 3:59 PM:
" Well I have no doubt that someone going by the name Aztlan is all for giving amnesty to all of his family and friends,anchor babies are like that.I also know there are millions of e-mails,letters,faxes,and phone calls by Americans citizens that are against the amnesty being sent to Washington.We're not responsible for giving you our anyone a better life.It should be done in the illegal aliens home country. "
cybertech wrote on Jun 12, 2007 4:24 PM:
" Well again I say that I am all for someone coming here for "a better life" so long as they do it legally. As for those that come here illegally, send them all back so they can come here legally. I dont care what so many say about how it is "impossible" to deport so many illegals, or that it will cost to much. It is not impossible, and yea it will cost a lot, but what are the costs that this country has paid for the last 40 years? I would rather see our tax dollars going to help expedite the current naturalization process and sending those illegals back to their home countries so they can come here legally rather than offering amnesty or semi amnesty. The truth of the matter is that the majority of American Citizens are against the Kennedy / Macain Bill and I am sure there are many more letters and complaints from that crowd than from the amnesty crowd and you can see this by looking at the numbers. This bill did not go through as fast as they wanted it to because many parts of it are unjust and unlawful and just plain ignorant........ "
cybertech wrote on Jun 12, 2007 4:33 PM:
" Cont'd......................The reason so many illegals are consternated is because this bill represents their chance at free money and services that they do not deserve in the first place. I wonder what the numbers represent on the number of illegals that have been deported and returned to this country illegally, because to return to this country after deportation is a felony. Another thing is that if you are in the country illegally, you have no rights under the US Constitution period. Those rights are afforded to "US Citizens Only", if you want those rights, go back home and go through the legal process because if you truly want a better life for you and your family you will wait the time it takes. It is apparent that people like Aztlan do not know nor do they understand the law and what it means to be a true citizen of the US. They also have no idea when the real problem of illegal immigration started and why it is as big a problem as it is. Contrary to what the amnesty crowd may believe, illegals are a major drain on the US culture and economy, they are in no way a boon! "
3744 wrote on Jun 12, 2007 5:08 PM:
" To Aztlan: We had no intention of making you laugh, we don't find you funny at all, as for change we are all for change; as long as it is good. The change these people are bringing is not good for American citizens. Bankrupting hospitals, overcrowding schools to the point where none of the children are getting a decent education; gang members killing, raping, robbing, smuggling illegal drugs into our country and turning our children into addicts, taking our jobs, so that we can't support our families, using our social services when they have no right to them, at the expense of our homeless people, mentally ill, and elderly who suffer through decreased Social Security benefits. How would you feel if it was the other way around and it was Americans invading Mexico for a better life taking all the things that your citizens had paid for? Hurting you childrens future? Destroying your culture and way of life? You wouldn't like it one bit, and Mexico's immigration laws wouldn't allow it to begin with. We would probably be shot trying to sneak across the border. I can guarantee you that Washington is being hit as I write this with Billions of E-mails, letters and phone calls, demanding no amnesty for criminals. It hurts and is unfair to the American citizens, and I count among these ANYONE who came here legally. "
Aztlan wrote on Jun 12, 2007 5:11 PM:
" Culture? you have to be kidding, U.S. culture was built by illegal immigrants from all over the world so which one are you referring too? Madison, you are also an "anchor baby" unless your ancestor were native Indians and don't try to come back saying that America fought to make it what it is now blah blah blah, the truth remains, illegal immigrants built this great country and it will always remain an immigrant nation. Maybe you are right, maybe all illegals should go back to there country and come here the legal way, but it is not a perfect world, because if that was the case than all who live here now other than native Indians should go back to their ancestor's homeland...respond to this comment how ever you want the truth will still remain the same...God bless America... "
3744 wrote on Jun 12, 2007 5:19 PM:
" To Aztlan: You didn't answer my question, how would you feel if it were Mexico being invaded by Americans? "
3744 wrote on Jun 12, 2007 5:22 PM:
" My ancestors came here legally; and My Great-Grandmother was full blood Cherokee. Are you going to answer my question? "
3744 wrote on Jun 12, 2007 5:36 PM:
" There is American culture; Apple pie, baseball, OBEYING THE LAW! And millions of other things, some of which did come from other countries, but have been Americanized over time. We are not against anyone coming here legally and assimilating into America, what we will not tolerate is ANYONE coming here and trying to take over, waving a foreign flag and saying they own this country! We have lots of things from other cultures that everyone enjoys; the St. Patricks day parade, Cinco de Mayo, etc., we are not asking people to give up everything from their culture, but we demand respect for AMERICA, and all things AMERICAN, this means no flying a foreign flag above an upside down American flag,( Montebello High, California), that is just blatant disrespect; in America it's called, 'biting the hand that feeds you'. If people want to come here, do it legally, assimilate or go home! "
3744 wrote on Jun 12, 2007 5:40 PM:
" Aztlan: You still have not answere my question, I guess that means even you feel there is no excuse for it. "
3744 wrote on Jun 12, 2007 5:45 PM:
" I guess when the going gets tough, the weak move on. That's why America is great, because we didn't give up, go home and fix your country. "
Madison wrote on Jun 12, 2007 6:10 PM:
" To Aztlan:This country was built by immigrants not illegal aliens,and illegall aliens are what we have invading this country today.Immigrants play by the rules and come here legally,not sneak across our borders.You tell me how countries like Mexico are ever going to be changed if the people don't stay and fight to change it?That's what people of this country had to do for freedom.Don't come into my country and tell me I have to change or I have to except that you are going to stay.This is coming to a boiling point,and I have to wonder just how long the citizens of this country are going to stand for these traitorous actions by our elected officals before another civil war starts.
Oh bye the way I had two great-grandmothers who were full blooded Cherokee.Most people native to this part of Arkansas have some native American blood. "
sovereignty wrote on Jun 12, 2007 6:18 PM:
" to aztlan: with all due respect, we are way past your arguement you use to justify the invasion of this country by millions of illegal aliens. the rules changed on the day terrorist brought down the twin towers. a sovereign nation has both the right and the duty to secure its borders. to not do so is ignorance gone to seed. had the Native Americans done then what i want done now we would not be having this discussion and they would still own the entire land. as it is they failed to secure their land. i will agree with you that the way this country as we know it came about is not pretty, an example i love is us winning the southwest from mexico in a war and then paying them 15 million for it, but what we have we have. i cannot change the past nor apologize for it. what i can do is to do all i can do to prevent this country from being given away by our so-called leaders to a people who do not belong here. you and your ilk reminds me of the thousands who went back home to merry old England rather than to stay here and face down that government in an effort to be free. "
Madison wrote on Jun 12, 2007 6:19 PM:
"
Mexican Earthquake
A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on the Richter scale hits Mexico.
The country is totally ruined and the government doesn't know where to start with asking for help to rebuild.
The rest of the world is in shock.
Canada is sending troopers to help the Mexican army control the riots.
Saudi Arabia is sending oil.
Other Latin American countries are sending supplies.
The European community (except France) is sending food and money.
The United States, not to be outdone, is sending eleven million Mexicans to replace the dead ones. This should take care of our immigration debate...
God bless America!!!!
"
3744 wrote on Jun 12, 2007 6:47 PM:
" Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant", is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed Pharmacist". It is an insult to all the people who came here legally. "
De wrote on Jun 12, 2007 7:54 PM:
" i wanna say i think they do need to go bk to where they r from and become americans the legal way. my husband is from england, he pays well over $1,500 a year just to have a job in this country,let alone his residency. he gets stuck paying taxes twice as much as the avg. american. so yea i think anyone coming from another country should A:speak clear english and B: pay like the rest of us. U didnt see china or russia, or europe having things in there languages for them do u? No they learned english and lived as an american.and i think the illegals should too. "
3744 wrote on Jun 12, 2007 9:13 PM:
" All American citizens, including those who immigrated here legally, should be upset be illegal aliens. It affects us all negatively, from the child who needs help but can't get it because the teacher is too busy with non-English speakers; to workers who are losing their jobs daily to illegal aliens who undercut their wages so they can't support their families. The only ones that want illegal aliens here are big corporations. Their reason is because they know they can rip them off by not providing benefits such as health care or a retirement fund (401k, etc.) and low wages; but you don't see corporations passing these savings on to the consumer by way of lower prices! Did beef or chicken get cheaper? No, because they are paying their CEO's $40 million dollar bonuses to find new ways to rip off the American citizen, who by the way IS paying for the health care of the illegal aliens in the form of higher taxes and social services which are funded by guess who? YOU AND ME. OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK. No country in the world allows unchecked immigration for that very reason. Why has it fallen on the American citizen to take in all the poor people in the world? It's time for the bleeding heart, rich liberals to fork over the money to support illegal aliens out of their own bank accounts, the middle class are tired of supporting them. "
clucknot wrote on Jun 13, 2007 4:40 PM:
" Here is a toll-free phone number to our senators Pryor and Lincoln.The number is 1-800-417-7666.Here's the catch: The number is from some pro-illegal group and you just have to ingore the pre-recorded spiel and you will be connected to our senators.No sense wasting your own money calling our employees.Why not use the opposition's phone line to do the job? Give it a try. "
sovereignty wrote on Jun 13, 2007 7:00 PM:
" i wish someone could explain to me how we got this far down the road to losing our own country, bought and paid for with our peoples blood, effort, ideas and the like, to a group of people who do not belong here? this is like a bad dream, i keep thinking i will wake up and it will be over. surely we do not really have a president who wants to unite canada & mexico with us to the point the border basically does not exist? see the net about Security and Prosperity Partnership, it explains it all. are those leading our efforts at fighting terrorism the same ones telling us they are doing all they can do to secure our borders all the while some 20 million illegals are amongst us? it cannot be reality that we send national guard troops from our state to fight and possibly die a zillion miles away, and for what, while our state has been invaded by illegals who harm us with murder, rape, robbery, drugs and etc? i simply cannot believe our ancestors would be happy about all of this. i leave you with two things to ruminate on: 1- "Remember the Alamo". 2- "from the Halls of Montezuma..." God save the country from its so-called leaders. "
3744 wrote on Jun 13, 2007 8:28 PM:
" To sovereingty; Sad, isn't it? The very people we expect to protect us are selling us out to the highest bidder. I think this process used to be called TREASON. Can't what they are doing be considered as betrayal to their country when the one's that elected them do not want it? Has the definition changed? "
3744 wrote on Jun 13, 2007 8:44 PM:
" Let me make myself clear: WE THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DON'T WANT TO BE MERGED WITH MEXICO AND CANADA! Sorry, but I think this is something worth shouting about. This has gotten way out of hand. Are we really going to stand by and let them make us responsible for Canada's health care and Mexico's poverty? You know what's next don't you? We will be paying a global tax to the United Nations straight out of our paychecks, just like the taxes we already pay. Then, they will take away our 2nd amendment rights so we can't fight back, or protect ourselves from the criminals they are letting into our country. WAKE-UP! "
sovereignty wrote on Jun 13, 2007 10:21 PM:
" to 3744, i kid you not ref to the agreement to basically merge the 3 countries. it will not be one large country but it is to be modeled like the european union is. it is coming, too include a super highway from mex to kc, mex trucks with free reign of the country, more track for the kc southern & b&n railroad, etc etc. i will live to see it as it is coming soon. pres bush is a one world order man like his daddy. it is all in the cards and the only thing that can stop it now are the people who vote. some days i think we have already lost. "
john hawkwood wrote on Jun 14, 2007 12:24 AM:
" I think it's time to trash this nonsense about America being a nation of immigrants. When a person is born in the U.S. they are a citizen. An immigrant is some one that comes here. Most people living in the U.S. were born here. This is just another pro-invasion slogan and we need to ignore it. It is not any more relevant to the issue than that pseudo-intellectual jaberwocky that those sanctimonious multi-culti types tried to confuse everyone with. The repetition of simplistic slogans is a spin doctor technique that is probably as old as language. The Nazis perfected it and the Latino Privilage liars learned in Chicano Studies classes. If I sound a little harsh it's a reaction to years of offensive argumentum ad hominem name calling on the part of arrogant pushy Mexican Invader advocates that couldn't answer ligitimate objections to having our country used as a dumping ground for millions of uneducated young Mexicans that their fathers made to show their macho to the world and that they could not feed, clothe, house or educate. I suggest that anyone that thinks that we have to care for the human population of this planet should divide their dinner into 6.4 billion pieces, eat one and donate the rest to charity. J.H. "
3744 wrote on Jun 14, 2007 12:43 AM:
" Amnesty for gang members? Yes, that is included in the senate bill, members of violent gangs, such as MS-13 will be eligible for amnesty. More than 30,000 illegal alien gang members will be allowed to keep on raping, robbing, car-jacking, drug dealing and murdering American citizens. All they have to do to qualify is denounce their gang affiliation. LOL, are we really that stupid? I guess our government is. Are these the people you want in your town? Well, get ready, because if this thing passes as it is things are only going to get worse. "
3744 wrote on Jun 14, 2007 1:03 AM:
" The senate bill also includes the illegal alien fugitives who have already been ordered deported by an immigration judge to ignore the removal orders! More than 636,000 illegal alien absconders are now present in this country, having defied the law twice: once when they broke U.S. immigration laws and again when the ignored the orders of the immigration courts. "
3744 wrote on Jun 14, 2007 1:12 AM:
" The senate bill would allow only ONE day to do background checks to determine whether an applicant is a criminal or terrorist. If no reason is found by the end of the next business day after they apply they will be released on the American public. It will effectively close down the immigration court system, If an alien in the removal process is "prima facie eligible" for the Z visa, an immigration judge must close any proceedings against the alien and offer them an opportunity to apply for amnesty. How can you determine if someone is a criminal or terrorist in ONE DAY? THIS IS A HORRIBLE BILL, DO NOT LET THEM PASS IT! "
Madison wrote on Jun 14, 2007 3:14 PM:
" Here's the cure for dealing with both the endless parade of illegal Mexicans, and the arrogant greedy corporations that hire them.
Build the wall, electrify it if necessary
Fine and jail every employer who hires illegal aliens
No in-state tuition for illegals
Illegal aliens attempting to vote in any Federal, State or Local election shall be imprisioned for 10 years in our tent-city jails and put to work in the fields, followed by deportation
No more anchor babies for illegals - no automatic citizenship
No visa increases for importing cheap foreign labor
No government funded multilingual programs for anyone - legal or illegal
No health care for illegals unless it is a true emergency
Remaining health care costs for illegals shall be billed to their home country
No food stamps for illegals
Eliminate all multicultural programs in government funded schools "
Madison wrote on Jun 14, 2007 3:17 PM:
" No amnesty for illegals
No taxpayer funded K-12 education for illegals
Outlaw the display of foreign flags except at embassies and consulates
No drivers licenses for illegals
Add a 50% tax all on all money sent to home countries by illegals
No bank accounts or credit cards for illegals
No guest-worker scams for illegals
No home mortgages for illegals
Add a 50% tax on transfers by money laundering companies like Western Union
Force all Mexican consulates to shut down in every state.
Eliminate tax-exempt status for radical hate groups like LULAC, MEChA, etc.
Authorize all local police to enforce federal immigration laws
Demand full cooperation from foreign countries
If they don’t comply, cut off all foreign aid
Repeal anti-American trade pacts like NAFTA, CAFTA
Replace every traitor in government with America First patriots
Always put the interest of America and Americans first - if our government won’t do it, who will?
And more…
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Madison wrote on Jun 14, 2007 3:18 PM:
" Note: Once our country has the gumption to do most of the items above, the illegals will head back to where they came from. Without jobs and free handouts from American taxpayers, they will pack up and head out. Any remaining illegals should be sent to tent-city jails and put to work in the fields until they are deported. All money they earn from the growers will be put in a fund to cover the cost of the jail. All costs for incarceration and deportation will be paid by the illegal aliens’ home country. If they refuse to pay, we cut off their foreign aid.
Pass the word. Americans need to get their heads out before they bury us.
Here's a great website that exposes just how much illegal Mexicans " LOOOVE our country.
http://wehategringos.com/whg/?page_id=81 "
Madison wrote on Jun 14, 2007 3:50 PM:
" Everyone should read this article
American Latinos! It's Time to Smell the Patronization
Culture War Gabriel Garnica, Senior Writer
June 14, 2007
Many writers, including myself, have argued for years that liberals take patronization to a new level, converting it into a science. Their distortion of affirmative action amounts to nothing more than institutionalized patronization, declaring that minorities could not get out of a paper bag unless the government provided a federal program and tons of money to help them out. What makes matters worse, these patronization experts also happen to be proficient peddlers of another set of destructive myths.
http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/garnica/06142007.htm "
sovereignty wrote on Jun 14, 2007 8:02 PM:
" to hawkwood, i agree as to we should put to rest the issue of we are a nation of immigrants to justify illegal immigratiuon. the great periods of immigration undertaken at various times were sanctioned by the government and overseen. it was legal. many were turned away because of illness, criminal records and the like. a sovern nation has the right to control immigration. they have a duty to do so. gone are the days that we need so many people coming in here. we forget that we routinely allow in via legal immigration appx 2 million people. we do not owe anyone a chance to come here. our water, infrastructure and resources in general are stretched. we need to control our growth like never before. i liken the situation to an overloaded life boat adrift at sea, we can only take in so may untill all are at risk. anyway, good ideas, thx! a final note plz, if we secure the borders and get serious about border security what harm has come and to whom? when we do not do so, like now, we have an invasion of illegals, disruption in our country, crime, higher taxes and tons of other ills. what then is the harm and who then is being harmed? what is the gain and to whom. we all know, down deep, that the loss does not justify the possible gain. bush, lincoln, pryor and etc, do your sworn duty and secure the borders now. "
moonglow wrote on Jun 15, 2007 8:15 AM:
" We should send the illegal to Iraq and see how they like that land of opprotunity. We need cheap labor there and in Afghanistan. If they survive, let them have U.S. citizenry. "
moonglow wrote on Jun 15, 2007 8:16 AM:
" Or. Let's invade Mexico and let the illegals infiltrate to Mexico. "
John Hawkwood wrote on Jun 15, 2007 4:42 PM:
"
I want to bring something up that I havn't heard anyone talk about. There are a lot of people in this country that are loyal citizens and that happen to be of Mexican descent. I have been to the border 4 times with the Minute Man Civil Defense Corp and there has been at least one person there on every occasion that was of Mexican descent. These are truly courages people, and as good as a citizen of this country can be . They realise that the legal principles that define the U.S. are more important than skin color. Some of them like Lupe Moreno, Al Garza, Raymond Herrera and Many others have gone to considerable personal expense and inconvenience to Serve the cause of protecting the soveriegnty of this nation. I want to thank them for how special they are and urge all of you to do the same.
JH "
Madison wrote on Jun 15, 2007 6:55 PM:
" JH,there's a foundation called "You Don't Speak For Me" that was founded by a group of Mexican-Americans.They are strongly opposed to the illegal aliens coming here.This is not about race,but the libs will always play the race card because so many people are afraid of being called racest. "
john hawkwood wrote on Jun 15, 2007 8:03 PM:
"
Madison,
the race card is another one of those mantras that has been substituted for substance in this so-called debate. I collect insults like some people collect coke memorabilia. The race card is an ever popular old favorite. Some others are;nativtist restrictionist,and ultra conservative.there are harsher ones for hard core collecters of argumentum ad hominem. Some of my favorites are skin head,and neo nazis. I think my all time favorite was someone who belittled the Minutemen by calling them Willie Nelson look alikes. People with no credibility are funny indeed.
JH "
sovereignty wrote on Jun 15, 2007 8:28 PM:
" i have earned the titles of Marine, Soldier, Police Officer, been married 31 years to the mother of two fine boys, one is a Navy pilot training to go to the war zone, have a few college degrees and have many other positives in my life too include a family tree that arrived in country in 1643, we have counties in both Texas and Georgia named in honor of my family's deeds and i said all of that to say this; i have met too many good, loyal, legal men who happened to be of hispanic or mexican descent to allow this of illegal immigration to be an issue of race/culture without i chime in to correct someone. it is not about race, it is about the sworn duty of our government to make this nation safe- be it safe from terrorist, contagious diseases, crime, and yes even invaders, be they armed or not. oh, by the way, the really neat thing about this country is not ones pedigree but what he/she can attain to on his or her own merits. maybe if more of our elected leaders had earned their way to the top instead of relying on their familiy's fortunes alone they would appreciate their citizenship and not be so keen to just give away the farm, so to speak. i would love to have a leader the likes of Truman, Ike, Reagan, etc to follow. ask yourself this, is bush #1 in the hearts of his countrymen? "
sovereignty wrote on Jun 15, 2007 8:36 PM:
" what irritates me about bush too is that when people like Hawkwood try to do the right thing by helping at the border they is called vigilantes by bush. he then insinuated the other day that to be against his immigration ideas was to be unpatriotic. well, those who know me call me a good and loyal patriot (the truth is what little i have done would not compare to 99% of any i ever met or served with) and i totally disagree with the man on this issue. one final thought please. what good is winning a war in iraq, or anywhere else for that matter, if we lose our own country to illegal invaders? plz forgive my being verbose tonight, i am just so angry... "
Madison wrote on Jun 16, 2007 9:13 AM:
" This is great! We need more in Washington like Tancredo.
Rocky Mountain News
Tancredo wins surprise immigration vote
By Chris Barge, Rocky Mountain News
June 15, 2007
WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. House of Representatives this morning voted to withhold federal emergency services funding for "sanctuary cities" that protect illegal immigrants.
You can read the full story on Ammerican Patrol or Immigration watch dog. "
Madison wrote on Jun 16, 2007 9:23 AM:
" I can't wait to hear people call these folks racist for being against illegal aliens in this country.
Blacks and Hispanic Patriots Against Amnesty To Hold Joint Press Conference
Blacks and Hispanics Opposed to Amnesty Bill to hold Joint Press Conference
Southwest Nebraska News
June 15, 2007
Those hit hardest by the effects of massive illegal immigration, particularly in major urban areas, are often legal American black and Hispanic citizens. Their voices are being muted in the current Senate debate by powerful business influences demanding cheap foreign labor and special interests representing illegal aliens.
Read the rest of the story on Immigration Watchdog.
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John Hawkwood wrote on Jun 16, 2007 10:20 AM:
" Madison,soveriegnty,thank you both. I am going to Immigration Watch Dog now. Those of us that are unlucky enough to liv in the no longer "Golden State' very much appreciate that the rest of the country is aware of what is happening to us.
JH "
John Hawkwood wrote on Jun 16, 2007 10:38 AM:
" Madison, I looked at an earlier post of yours. I want to tell you in case you were not already aware that Aztlan is what the invaders and their treasonous allys want to rename the S.W. U.S. after they take over Aztlan already has a constitution. It is a race-based document. I have had a Mexican citizen tell me to my face "we are going to take over" My wife has had the same experience from a co-worker that is a Mexican-American. Teddy Roosevelt was right. There is no place for hyphenated Americans. A person is or is not. This where the multi-cultis took us. In WWII Americans of Mexican descent fought for this nation like everyone else.JH
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Madison wrote on Jun 16, 2007 12:20 PM:
" Yes JH I've seen their propaganda on Aztlan,and I think there will be a war before the good citizens of this country let that happen.I know it has to be terrible out there in CA were there are so many liberals letting the invaders take over.Things are getting bad every where you go.Here in NW AR we are being over run with them,but I know it doesn't compare to your troubles Yet.If you're not already a member of Numbers USA you should join them.I think they are one of the best org. out there. "
Madison wrote on Jun 18, 2007 12:06 PM:
" " I'm sorry, but after hearing they want to sing OUR National Anthem in Spanish - enough is enough! NEVER did they sing it in Italian, Japanese, Polish, Irish-Celtic, German, Portuguese, Greek, French, or any other language because of immigration. It was written by Francis Scott Key and should be sung word for word the way it was written. The news broadcasts gave a translation that's NOT even close. Sorry if this offends anyone, but this is THIS IS MY COUNTRY! Do YOU - sing MY National Anthem in YOUR COUNTRY IN ENGLISH ? ? ? And, because I make this statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration!!! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE IN MY COUNTRY. Welcome to come through like everyone else has. Get a sponsor !Get a place to lay your head !Get a job ! Live by OUR rules !Pay YOUR taxes !And LEARN THE LANGUAGE LIKE ALL OTHER IMMIGRANTS HAVEIN THE PAST!!!AND PLEASE DON'T DEMAND THAT WE HAND OVER OUR LIFETIME SAVINGS OF SOCIAL SECURITY FUNDS TO YOU TO MAKE UP FOR ''YOUR'' LOSSES.If you don't want to forward thisfor fear of offending someone,then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!When will AMERICANS STOP giving away THEIR RIGHTS?We've gone so far the other way,bent over backwards not to offend anyone.But it seems no one cares about the AMERICAN that's being offended! WAKE UP America !!! "
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Madison wrote on Jun 18, 2007 2:55 PM:
" JH,check out the comments on the article"The changing faces of Northwest Arkansas sports. "
john hawkwood wrote on Jun 19, 2007 8:32 PM:
" www.newsleader.com
"A Fair and balanced approach to immigration" is very interesting
JH "
3744 wrote on Jun 22, 2007 1:42 AM:
" This immigration bill will not pass until they take out legal status for gang members, and cut out automatic citizenship for anchor babies, it is not right that they can sneak across our border, drop a baby and then the American Taxpayer has to pay for it. Babies born to illegal aliens should not be given citizenship because their parents broke the law, that is rewarding bad behavior. We also want a guarantee that they will not be able to vote in ANY election local or national. If they don't have absolute proof of citizenship they don't vote!!! Why should they be allowed to control our country? mexico doesn't allow any foreigners to vote in their elections why should we? We are being forced to live under a horrible set of double set of standards. I'm tired of our government bowing down to mexico, especially after the way they booed America at the beauty pageant. I'm sick of the whole mess. "
Aztlan wrote on Jun 22, 2007 12:37 PM:
" Hahahah, good luck with that 3744, you are such an angry person full of hate, grow up and concentrate on been happy, Welcome to America all you immigrants... "
Madison wrote on Jun 22, 2007 4:47 PM:
" To Aztlan:First of all they are not "Immigrants" they are "Illegal Aliens".That means they broke our laws coming here and they have no alleginance to this country,but hold alleginance to the country that they came from,and that's why they are not welcome here.Second-Every citizen of this country should be outraged over this invasion by these law breakers. "
Not already registered?
Brittanicus wrote on Jun 10, 2007 11:04 AM: